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    Newbie tandem rider...seeking buying advice.

    Ok so I am that newbie that the other forums will crush with no pitty. If you venture into Road Cycling you may have seen me there...long time roadie, little bit of a MTB rider and fixie commuter. The reason for this post is family cycling...in particular my son. For the last 3 years he has ridden behind daddy on his trailer bike but now he is getting too big for it. I could go to a 24" wheel trailer but he is getting near the suggested weight limit of 80 lbs (he is 50" and ~60 lbs) so I think it might be a waste to go that direction.

    But we like our family rides...so what to do?

    Tandem of course. But which one?

    So I have been eyeing the Co-Motion Periscope for it's adjustibility and I assumed the price was in line with other quality but lower level tandems...then I looked closer and talked to my LBS and it turns out I can get a new Cannondale Street (the 26" tandem Cannondale now sells) for $900 less than the Periscope Scout 26 that I was eyeing up on the net (no Co-Motion dealer in the state of PA according to their site). Now that wont be the total price of the Cannondale because I will need a child stoker kit...but still figure a $700 delta in the prices of the two bikes.

    It is a bit of money but not a total deal killer...if the co-motion is the way to go I will go that way. Tandems East who is a Co-Motion and Cannondale dealer said they prefer the Co-Motion (because of margin maybe?) but I figured I would go for some independant advice.

    Which way would you go?
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    Co-motion: more stoker saddle height adjustment, more possibility of using other suspesion seatposts.
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    I have found a bit of difference in tandem bike shops compared to the LBS's in my area. You can trust Mel at Tandem's East, they have a solid reputation and will really stand behind what they sell. While the margin is important to keep a shop open, they also have a ton of experience that they can share with you.

    Try to test ride a few before you decide, read as much info as you can find. Start with Tandemgeeks's thetandemlink.com and also Sheldon Brown's articles on tandems.

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    Ahh the importance of the test ride...unfortunatly no shop in my town stocks tandems and you are looking at >1 hr drive to get to a shop that MIGHT carry a tandem. My LBS is a Cannondale dealer and would order me one...they would be willing to become a Co-Motion dealer if they didn't have to sign up for a initial buy like most companies force dealers to do.

    Either way there is nothing to test ride which I know is an issue.
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    I drive 4 hours from the Mississippi Gulf Coast to Birmingham AL when I need to deal with my "local tandem shop" Tandems Ltd. I figure for the amount of money we were going to spend on the tandem it was worth the drive.

    How far is Tandems East from you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasschopper View Post
    Ok so I am that newbie that the other forums will crush with no pitty.
    This forum has not seen a crushed newbie yet, though you might need to make sure you read the posts carefully!, there are readers who have crushed themselves by reading between the lines what was not there.

    I can only speak well of Mel at Tandems East, a man of strong opinions, as you might also find in this forum.

    Our new bike, a Co-Motion Mocha is a very fine machine. I have never seen a Periscope live, but I suspect it is as well finished as the Mocha. Do you really want to fool around with a child stoker kit? I have also never used a child stoker kit but looks like it is going to get in the way if you want to take a ride with other stokers.

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    FWIW:

    We have a child stoker kit on one of our tandems. Removing enough of it to accommodate an adult-sized stoker would not be trivial. That's why the bike is dedicated (for the time being) to my daughter and me.

    I have seen and ridden a PeriScope. Yes, it is nicely finished, stiff, and relatively light for a steel frame. OTOH, C'Dales aren't Wal-Mart bikes either.

    The OP will probably want to add "crank arm shorteners" to the PeriScope to accommodate a child that would require a child stoker kit to fit a conventional tandem.

    IMO, a "long time roadie" would probably be happier in the long run with this bike: <http://www.co-motion.com/perihammer.html>... but now you're talking real money ($5k).

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    First, disclaimer: I have not ridden with child stoker kit or crank shorteners.

    But, looking at the crank shortener pictures at Tandems East's site, they certainly look like they would be easier to "hot swap" than the stoker kit. You'd need a pedal spanner, but the concept is pretty clear.

    Only technical factor I would see there is the "Q factor" issue of feet being maybe 1/2" further apart on each side. While that might affect an older, more seasoned / more highly trained rider, I don't know if the kiddos would be aware of the difference.

    Perhaps someone who has tried both can straighten me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by just me View Post
    I drive 4 hours from the Mississippi Gulf Coast to Birmingham AL when I need to deal with my "local tandem shop" Tandems Ltd. I figure for the amount of money we were going to spend on the tandem it was worth the drive.

    How far is Tandems East from you?

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    4 hours one way...but it also takes me through Philadelphia and into NJ both places I try to avoid.
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    As someone that's gone through a lot of money, trial, and tribulation in an attempt to make riding with my son a possibility (he's 5 and a half, 3'6" and 45lbs), I would say go for the bike with the most adjustablilty, and least amount of adaptation. If I were inclined to get a tandem like the ones you're considering, I'd be going with a Periscope, just for ease of transformation to suit stoker size.

    Buying a tandem without riding it is something I've done as well. But, I had ridden the single versions of the bike I bought, and had a general idea of how they're made, and how the tandem would fit my wife and I. Were going to use it to tow the trail-a-bike, but it turns out my wife prefers to ride solo, so I added crank shorteners and made a simple change to the seat that allows the bike to fit my son, with no stoker kit required. If a grownup wants to ride back there, then I swap the seat and post for one of the unadapted ones off one of my other bikes, and take off the crank shorteners.

    For the first couple of days I wondered what could have gotten into me, but now I don't regret the sight unseen or ride untaken purchase. But my bike was in California. If I could take a days' ride with my son to do a test run, I would.

    Take a ride to a Co-motion dealer and ride the 'scope. That's what I'd do. Here's a link to my post about how I wound up with the big blue whale: Click Here

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    Pre-purchase test rides are, in most cases, a dispensable luxury. Very few bike shops can afford to keep many $2000+ bikes on hand, whether they are singles or tandems. As a result, most folks who buy pro-level singles place a deposit without riding the exact bike. Heck, a custom frame is considered the epitome of bike ownership, yet nobody can test ride their custom design before placing the order.

    I've been a "serious" cyclist since 1972. In the 35 intervening years, I have owned six tandems and countless singles. Some of those bikes were purchased through bike shops where I worked, some were "mail order," some were provided by racing sponsors, and a couple were even purchased at full retail from my LBS. As I write this, I cannot recall test-riding ANY of those bikes before taking ownership. Nor can I remember being dissatisfied and thinking "if I had only been able to test-ride this first..."

    Fortunately, there are many very competent bicycle makers. If you do a reasonable amount of research and/or work diligently with a competent, trustworthy retailer, you should end up with a bike that gives you many miles and seasons of pleasure. Will it be the "perfect" bike? Perhaps not. But I doubt that you could test ride enough bikes enough miles to identify the optimum bike for who you are and how you ride today. And I can almost guarantee that, although the bike will not change over the years, your wants and needs will. Today's perfect purchase will become tomorrow's "not quite right" possession... so you might as well make the best choice you can with the time and resources available NOW... After all, if you remain a cyclist or tandemist, you will most likely have and take another chance in the years ahead.

    Perhaps after doing it and thinking about it for a few decades you will be equipped to choose the "perfect" bike -- right, zonatandem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasschopper View Post
    4 hours one way...but it also takes me through Philadelphia and into NJ both places I try to avoid.
    Depending where you live in PA, Mt Airy Bicycles may be closer. At least you don't have to go through Phil and NJ. Here's a link:

    www.bike123.com

    They have a large selection of tandems to test ride.

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    Happy riding which ever you pick. I went for basic entry level with the Trek T900, since I haven't been a rider for a few years. When I bought it last year my son could reach the stoker peddles (with crank shorteners), but my daughter couldn't quite. Now they can both reach them, but dd is still the trailer biker because she weighs about 10 lbs less and things are more stable with her there. They turn 6 next week!

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    Well I was all set to buy the Co-Motion but in emailing with a dealer that contacted ME through my profile here I was getting a bunch of attitude...don' tknow what that is about but he isn't getting my money because of it.

    So now I am back to a 4+ hour one way drive...I may try the DC area as we have friends in the area so we could visit for the weekend.
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    Newbie w/attitude

    I am the shop withe the alleged 'attitude'. I admit it, this guy ticked me off.

    I contacted him answering the question he posted, mentioned that I was a lot closer and stocked both companies tandems.

    We exchanged some E-mails about the bikes and he asked for a quote. I sent it to him then received a missive in return telling me all the reasons why I should lower the price on the CoMotion for him, including the fact that his local shop was cutting a couple of hundred dollars off the price of the Cannondale.

    I explained that I could not reduce the price on the CoMo and was surprised that the local shop could cut that much off the entry 'Dale. He told me that he was a friend of the shop manager, then told me the price of the CoMo was $900 more than the 'Dale form his local shop.

    When I told him my price for the 'Dale was $900 less than the CoMo, so his shop wasn't cutting that much of a deal, I was told I had an attitude.

    So, as they say, now you know the rest of the story

    Classic case of he said / she said??
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    Ok I didn't say who it was but since you outed yourself...should I post the emails? I asked if you could do any better than MSRP and rather than just say no you said you could add on freight and assembly if I wanted to wiggle.

    Here is the emial of me asking about the price below your response about raising the price...I didn't mention anything about the deal I can get on the Cannondale:
    Well, if you want to wiggle I could add the freight and assembly charges that CoMotion mentions on their price sheet
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    > Wow 10 weeks huh? So the price is retail...no wiggle
    > there? I am trying to keep the cost down so I think I
    > would rather order the 26 and skip the FlightDeck
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    And as I said the $900 difference in price included the additional child stoker kit I would need to buy for the Cannondale and PA sales tax compared to the $2811.XX you quoted me for the Co-Mo with crank shorteners and NY tax.
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    I outed myself since I had nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about.

    Since you have posted my E-mail to you with the smiley face, here is your response:

    "Um ok...I see that smilie there so I know you were
    half joking? I wasn't, I just making sure that YOUR
    best price is MSRP...because I know what I have been
    quoted for a fully assembled and shipped Cannondale
    from my LBS...and it is a couple hundred lower than
    MSRP...which is several hundred than the Co-Mo to
    start with. So while I understand that the Co-Mo
    seems to be the better bike I will not have local
    service or support and I will be driving 4+ hours
    round trip to pick it up. You wont see this bike back
    unless there is a warranty issue so any 30 day or
    other new bike tune-ups you may offer will never be
    claimed. You will not have had to stock this bike so
    no real overhead on this sale....and you came to me.
    This sale is one you would have never made had you not
    come to me with your opinion on the bikes and you
    saying you're a dealer."


    And my response to the above:


    "Sounds like you might be happier buying from your local shop. I am a tandem
    specialist, who has expertise in the product and can support my customer's
    various tandem needs.

    Not only do I have 12 years experience as a tandem specialty shop, I also
    stock many of the tandem specific accessories and parts.

    There is not enough margin on the these tandems to cover freight, assembly,
    make a fair profit and discount the sale.

    If your local shop is so desperate for some business that he is cutting his
    gross margin on the 'Dale by half, that is his choice. I cannot stay in
    business doing that, and I don't think he will either."

    OK, now I'm outed even further
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    Great...whatever...I am going to buy a Co-Motion...when I find a dealer that wants to sell me a bike not give me a hard time whe I ask if full MSRP is the best they can do. A simple sorry I can't do any better would have sufficed and we would be working out the details of a sale rather than bickering about this over the net.
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    See, this is why I hate the internet sometimes. I've lost friendships over the impersonal nature of electronic written communication. It leads to situations like this one. There's no tone of voice, inflection, nothing to prevent the perception of attitude being given even if there was no 'tude intended. And smileys sometimes make matters worse.

    My 2 cents. Phone or in person is better. Good luck Grasschopper.. I want to see you get that CoMo periscope. And read about the fun rides with your son. Today my son and I spent the day riding down to the beach, hanging out, pulling clams out of the ocean, and then we rode back home and to a flag shop to try to find a replacement for the twist spinner we've been flying off the flag post on the tandem. It was a great day.
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    BlueWhale - I can't wait to get the bike. Last night after all of these was posted I received an email from another Co-Mo dealer that I contacted when it was clear this other deal was going south. I simply asked that dealer for his best price on the bike and crank shorteners and he gave it...and it beats the above price by over $100 and that includes shipping to me so I don't have to drive anywhere...oh and the lead time is half of what Rich quoted me...even better.

    So it all works out in the end...I will try to get some photos up when I get the bike. Can't wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWhale View Post
    See, this is why I hate the internet sometimes. I've lost friendships over the impersonal nature of electronic written communication.
    Yep, only adavantage of the net is that you can read what you get three times, read what you wirte another three, and wait three days to press Send it if you are not sure. Reading the e-mails through I see that neither side might have done this. Best to both of you.

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    WOOHOO Co-Motion Periscope Scout ordered...$2650 shipped to my door including crank shorteners for the ute an extra stoker stem and an upgraded color (went with Pumkin). Mel at Tandems east was great to work with and quoted me 3-4 weeks for delivery.

    We can't wait. Will post photos once the bike arrives.
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    Hi,

    Sorry late to the thread, but I would upgrade to a drop bar. You'll still have tire clearance if you want to run wider tires, but coming from a roadie background, you'll really miss the drop bar. The frames are plenty stong for a little off road. I'm not sure the price difference, but I would easily pay $500+ more. We started with a Fuji flat bar, and quickly upgraded to a Trek T2000, comfort was a primary reason.

    That said, the Periscope is an awesome tandem. We even saw a triple a month or so ago. I have our Fuji set up with a kids stoker kit, and it works great, but my wife and I love the Trek.

    I've ordered some stuff from Mel, very pleased with his service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R900 View Post
    Hi,

    Sorry late to the thread, but I would upgrade to a drop bar. You'll still have tire clearance if you want to run wider tires, but coming from a roadie background, you'll really miss the drop bar. The frames are plenty stong for a little off road. I'm not sure the price difference, but I would easily pay $500+ more. We started with a Fuji flat bar, and quickly upgraded to a Trek T2000, comfort was a primary reason.

    That said, the Periscope is an awesome tandem. We even saw a triple a month or so ago. I have our Fuji set up with a kids stoker kit, and it works great, but my wife and I love the Trek.

    I've ordered some stuff from Mel, very pleased with his service.
    We will see in time...if I upgraded it would have been Shimano and I would rather do Campy. This way I can make the conversion and go with an Ergo lever and a Shiftmate...and it will cost me less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasschopper View Post
    We will see in time...if I upgraded it would have been Shimano and I would rather do Campy. This way I can make the conversion and go with an Ergo lever and a Shiftmate...and it will cost me less.
    I just checked my local dealers website, the Periscope 700 is $500 more then the Scout. But in addition to a drop bar road tandem you get:

    Better Wheels
    Better Crankset
    Better Shifters/Drive train
    Rear Disk Brake

    The frames look a bit different, but hard to tell from what's listed.

    I don't mean to harp, but since you are already spending a decent chuck of change, just worth considering. As for Campy/Shimano, have both, and don't really have much issue either way.

    I'm sure you'll be happy with either, but not sure of resale for used bike should you wish to upgrade.
    Time to Ride...

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