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    Stoker map-reading

    Hi all,
    Just wondering how you attach cue sheets/maps to the bike so that the stoker can read them--any good suggestions?

    Thanks,
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    Put the map/cue sheet in a plastic bag and then clip the upper left and right corners to the left and right pockets of the captain's jersey with a small pair of alligator clips.

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    I was riding on the TransCanada hwy last summer and I encountered a solo cross country tourist with a map holder mounted on his handlebars. If he can do it your stoker can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TandemGeek View Post
    Put the map/cue sheet in a plastic bag and then clip the upper left and right corners to the left and right pockets of the captain's jersey with a small pair of alligator clips.
    +1 We use the transparent paper protectors.

    It gives the stoker some responsibility and keeps her engaged. Besides that, it's harder to get yelled at for missing a turn and riding three miles out of the way when you don't have the map!
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    I list this under superfluous pieces of bicycle equipment my stoker has bought: http://bicyclehabitat.com/itemdetail...ogId=1&id=1972

    I should not complain, as I am certain I am far ahead of her in this category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72andsunny View Post
    I list this under superfluous pieces of bicycle equipment my stoker has bought: http://bicyclehabitat.com/itemdetail...ogId=1&id=1972

    I should not complain, as I am certain I am far ahead of her in this category.
    They had these in the schwag bag at the Southwest Tandem Rally last month.

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    . . . and how do you explain those 'roach clips' to your kids?
    Before roach clips we used safety pins and stuck map on captain's back, above jersey pockets.

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    Quart-size Ziploc freezer bag and a binder clip on the center jersey pocket.

    The thickness of the heavier weight freezer bag keeps it from flopping around in the wind and makes it recylcleable for a number of rides before retirement/replacement.

    It's a little smaller than half of an 8-1/2 X 11, but the route is rarely printed to the edge of the page so it's usually easy enough to fold over the margins to make it fit.

    We do a lot of event rides and the stoker/navigator prefers the cue sheet with turns in miles from start. She has her GPS, and if the milege to the next turn starts to vary from the cue sheet, it usually becomes consistent and she's pretty good at adding or subtracting the variance and knowing when the next turn is coming up.

    Rides with maps only are only a little more challenging since there's usually not a good measure of scale the first time you see it on an unfamiliar route. She's gotten pretty good at it though, by comparing inches on the map to miles ridden, and by 10-15 miles into a new ride she can estimate the distance to the next turn with very decent accuracy.

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    It gives the stoker some responsibility and keeps her engaged. Besides that, it's harder to get yelled at for missing a turn and riding three miles out of the way when you don't have the map!
    My stoker has made it clear that she doesn't need anything to keep her occupied and would rather just soak up the scenery. Our last double century we rode 2 miles off course because neither of us seemed to be all that interested in navigating. I've purchased a Garmin Edge 605 since then and have managed to figure out how to program in a route so I am prompted for each turn. It has a screen that shows the next three turns and distance to each along with audible prompts for when you reach the turn. Have tested it out on one century ride so far and will be trying it out again this weekend at the Davis Double.

    If we weren't using the Garmin, I don't know how well pinning the map to a jersey pocket would work for us. Because of the size of the tandem, it only has room for one water bottle cage for the captain. On our first double I put a bottle in my jersey pocket. I thought I was going to just swap it out for the one in the cage if I needed but it ended up being my stokers primary water bottle. The map might get in the way for that.

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    Possum:
    Room for 1 water bottle!!! Ever hear of camelbacks?
    Water bottle mounts on handlebars? Mount 2 bottles tri-style behind stoker saddle?

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    Map holder

    My wife uses one of these:
    Bar Map Holder - Medium
    She fastens the hook and loop tape around the zipper pulls on my camelbak. Works great in all but the very windiest of conditions. Since it is clear on both sides, one can display the map on one side and if a cue sheet is available, it can be displayed on the other.
    There are 10 kinds of people ... those that understand binary and those that don't.

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    Room for 1 water bottle!!! Ever hear of camelbacks?
    Yes, and both my stoker and I own one (actually, I think she has two). However...
    I don't really buy the hype they were trying to dish out about a water pack actually making your more aero, especially considering the one I bought (mule). It doesn't look like it should be more aerodynamic and it certainly doesn't feel more aerodynamic to me. What is more important is that with the Camelbak you are carrying 70 to 100 oz of water on your back. I use the Camelback on some rides however I think carrying 100 oz of water on your back plus another bottle filled with some drink mix is overkill on a well supported ride.

    While riding the Solvang double, my stoker and I would usually empty no more than one bottle each between rest stops, drinking as much as we needed to drink. That is half our water, meaning we had twice the supplies of water that we needed, which is good because you want a good safety buffer. With the Camelbaks, we would be carrying about twice that much water on our backs, plus we would still want to run at least one water bottle with a drink mix. That is 4 times the water we need plus another bottle of Gatorade with cars driving by periodically checking to see if we are OK and ample water stops as well. We could carry less water in the Camelbaks but we both still rather not use them for comfort reasons.

    People have asked me before for advice on using drink mixes such as Cytomax and similar and this is what I tell them regardless of the drink mix:
    If you mix full strength and carry nothing but your drink mix on a long ride, you will most likely become sick and have to be sagged in while riding in warmer weather. The sweet taste will keep you from drinking as much fluid as you need to replace and some drink mixes will even cause some people to cramp up become ill. If you want to avoid this, you have two choices.
    1. Mix half strength or less since you need the fluid more than you need the drink mix.
    2. Mix full strength but carry just water in another water bottle. This allows you to regulate how much you get of the mix or water depending on the weather conditions.

    I prefer the second method. It's not as easy to clean out a Camelbak that has been filled with Gatorade or Cytomax and after much experimenting with how I handle this, I've found I like the taste of the drink mixes better full strength and like the ability to regulate intake of each as I ride.

    I have been communicating with friends who have done the rides we have planned to get an idea of what the support is like for each event and then taking this into consideration when deciding whether the Camelbaks would be a good idea or not.

    For a long ride with questionable or no support and scorching temperatures, the camelbak is a must.
    Last edited by Possum Roadkill; 05-15-08 at 11:58 PM.

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