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Old 05-28-08, 11:43 PM   #1
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New Macchiato

Okay, this has been a LONG work in progress (started November of last year), but we finally picked up our new Macchiato tonight. No, I don't have a ride report yet - the steerer plug is still gluing up and it was nearly dark by the time we got out of the shop.

The frame is a 54 up front, not sure how it works out for the stoker, but it is quite small. Built is with Campy Record. We skipped the FSA cranks and instead got a set of daVinci (anodized black) with Phil Wood BBs. Also, we traded in the FSA bars and went with a set of Dedas to keep it in line with my single. With pedals and no cages, the bike came out to an even 26 lbs. Could do a few things to shave weight here and there, but not sure I want to chase the grams unless I look at a set of high zoot wheels (i.e. rims from Edge Composites). Should be able to post a ride report after this weekend.

By the way, the photos are only so so. We are in between garage doors at the moment.
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Old 05-29-08, 06:31 AM   #2
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...not sure how it works out for the stoker, but it is quite small.
We've noticed that on a few other Macchiato frames. I'd be curious to know how long the frame is measured from the center of the front ecceentric bottom bracket to the center of the rear bottom bracket and how that compares to the other Macchiato's owned by members of this list.

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We skipped the FSA cranks and instead got a set of daVinci (anodized black) with Phil Wood BBs.
I almost did the black ano crank arms as well, but held off as Debbie had a tendency to ride with her heels 'in' which has created deep impressions in all of her daVinci crank arms. I've yet to come up with a permanent way of preventing her heels from over-rotating, otherwise I'd definitely have our anodized as well. They look very sharp.

Did you go with the chomoly, premium titanium, or proprietary titanium BB's for the front and rear or a mix?
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Old 05-29-08, 08:15 AM   #3
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beautiful bike. Looking forward to the ride report. How much do you guys weigh?
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Old 05-29-08, 09:12 AM   #4
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A 26 lb tandem has to be a blast to ride. Very nice.

Keep us informed if you build up some wheels with Edge rims. I'm currently building up a front wheel to use on the tandem and my single for TT's only. Using the heavier Edge rim, 68 mm depth with 24 spokes. Will be tubular.
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Looks good! Nice understated flame paint job . . . bet it looks good in sunshine!
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Old 05-29-08, 10:30 AM   #6
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TandemGeek - I'll measure and post tonight. As for the cranks, my wife rides with the Looks set to zero float and doesn't rotate, so I'm am feeling pretty positive that the black will stay for quite a while. As for the BBs, we went chromoly all around. No other reason than I am trying to convince the wife that I need another set of wheels for my single and that the money saved here could be applied there.

merlinextraligh - Team weight is about 230 lbs. Fluctuates up slightly depending on how much time I spend at the gym versus on the bike.

Shayne - Let me know about your experience with the wheel. I would love to hear the feedback. What about the rear? Are they making rims with higher than 28 hole spoke counts?

zonatandem - The crazy thing is that we didn't order the flames. We had inquired about it, but passed ultimately because of cost. Apparently that wasn't communicated (or something) and the bike showed up with it. Needless to say, we got a good deal on the paint because of that. In the sun, I think the flames actually become a bit less noticeable.
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Soooooooo........ When is your first Race?

Beautiful bike. I bet it turns heads on the road. I am also waiting for the ride report.
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Old 05-29-08, 12:32 PM   #8
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Soooooooo........ When is your first Race?
You sound like my coach. And if I mentioned that idea to the wife, I'd probably get from her.
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Nice looking weld beads....
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Shayne - Let me know about your experience with the wheel. I would love to hear the feedback. What about the rear? Are they making rims with higher than 28 hole spoke counts?

Will do, waiting on the rims now. I bought two, I'll build up the other as a rear for my single bike later this summer. For the rear of the tandem I've got a wheel cover to make it a poor mans disc. From what I understand, they'll do whatever hole count you want. Seems it's pretty much all custom order. After asking what our team weighs with bike (315 lbs), they said we could go with 20 spokes, maybe even 18 . No thanks, I was thinking 24 was to low. They do build up with pretty high tension. I guess they built up a set with the tension around 190, for testing purposes, way more than what a hub should be able to take, then took it to a campus and rode down a bunch of stairs. They say the wheels are holding up just fine. That's something I will not be doing.
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since you're in pasadena, are you gonna gonna bring it out to the rose bowl ride?
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Old 05-29-08, 04:35 PM   #12
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since you're in pasadena, are you gonna gonna bring it out to the rose bowl ride?
I would like to keep the frame in one piece. More importantly, I don't want to explain to my wife why she'd picking gravel out of her skin. Maybe do the Montrose ride. We'll see.
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From what I understand, they'll do whatever hole count you want. Seems it's pretty much all custom order. After asking what our team weighs with bike (315 lbs), they said we could go with 20 spokes, maybe even 18.
They told me something similar. Problem is finding a rear tandem hub (145 mm spacing) that supports that low spoke count.
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Problem is finding a rear tandem hub (145 mm spacing) that supports that low spoke count.
No problem: you don't 'find one' you have one made. Contact the folks at White Industries, Phil Wood, or Hadley Racing Products [(909) 946-6780] to see what they can offer if you're serious. Frankly, at the cited 230lb combined team weight you can get away with using a lot of non-tandem specific hardware for race-only applications.
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Contact the folks at White Industries, Phil Wood, or Hadley Racing Products [(909) 946-6780] to see what they can offer if you're serious.
I tried White Ind previously. They said no. I will try Phil Wood and Hadley Racing. Thanks.
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Congratulations. That is one very nice ride. Looking forward to some pictures in the sunlight.
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You could run 24 spokes on the 48h W.I. hub
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An interesting thought...
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What brand and model of chain are you using?

Sweet ride and 26lbs is a beautiful thing.

Seeing yours and Merlin's new rides make me anxious to get our new frame hung with parts. I'm hopeful to have it completed by Late Sunday or Monday. It won't be 26lbs though!!!!!


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What brand and model of chain are you using?
Campy Record. I am not looking forward to the cost of replacing the timing chain after it begins to stretch.
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The timing chain is just a generic 8 speed chain not Campy so the cost is minimal to replace it. Also on our Macchiato which also has Record 10.....Co-Motion used a KMC 10 speed drive chain. The bike shifted ok with that but I did upgrade to a Campy 10 speed drive chain and it was a huge impovement in the shifting department.
You will love that bike once you get it out on the road!!! The ride quality and handling is excellent....and being light is another added bonus.
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It's a timing chain... so I must assume you are using the high-end chain for weight savings?

To extract the longest life from your timing chain you might just want to commit yourself to wearing the thing into the ground along with the timing rings. You'll probably get close to 10k miles of use before the chain will be so worn that you'll develop some annoying chain noise and, well, your eccentric will be all the way round to the front of the eccentric shell, but it's a strategy.
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To extract the longest life from your timing chain you might just want to commit yourself to wearing the thing into the ground along with the timing rings.
Certainly a strategy worth considering. Also, I figure with team weight and the fact that we are spinners as opposed to mashers, may help prolong the life a bit further.
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So, what's that bottom bracket to bottom bracket length?
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