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    NOOB Question: Lamborghini Viaggio

    Hello Tandem riders!

    Spousal unit and I are considering buying a tandem bike. Problem is... sticker shock. We both ride decent bikes and would prefer to have something good quality, but unfortunately this is about all we are willing to manage to "try it out." Also, we need a way to take our 10-year old on t-shirt rides with us. So here's my question: do and of y'all know anything about the Lamborghini Viaggio? I found some reviews here:
    http://www.totalbike.com/reviews/B000R7DND2/Tandem/
    but would really appreciate any feedback that experienced tandem riders have. Thanks loads!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasminha View Post
    By all means, you are doing right by trying to find someone who actually owns one of these tandems. Having looked at those "reviews" I find them to be dubious at best given: a) the similar writing style and "talking points" that appear in most of them, and b) the timing / intervals between posts.

    Anymore, you have to really be on guard for folks who have a financial stake in products that post bogus reviews to sites like Total Bike, MTBR, or RoadBikeReviews and who otherwise join forums to simply pimp those products and the bogus reviews. We've had a couple folks attempt that here but their posting history gave them away.

    Anyway, be sure to give your local Craigslist a check. You can usually find some pretty good second hand, premium quality tandems for under $1,200 that will serve you well for a long time. KHS also makes some pretty good entry level tandems for under $1000 and you can often times find those on close-out around this time of year.

    Then again, if your riding goals are modest and you or your spouse can work on your own bikes then even these department store bikes can be made to work for family rides on bike paths and the like.
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    Good point TandemGeek. I hadn't thought of that.

    I personally thought it was really heavy, especially considering that my husband will be riding it with his 10-year old when she's here. Then I read the thread "how much does your tandem weigh?" and really thought it was too heavy. On the other hand, I want it to be heavy enough to slow him down to my speed!

    Hubby is a pretty good mechanic so he's already talking about making changes to the brakes, and what he can do to improve the gears, etc. I think we'll check into renting before we take the plunge.
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    If you want to give yourselves the best chance for a fair evaluation of the tandem experience, I urge you to do it on something that is near in quality to the bikes you guys are already riding and are familiar with. It definitely does not have to be a new high dollar tandem, a reasonable to good quality, well maintained used one would be fine. There are many discussions on this forum about bikes that fall into this category and the many ways to find them....if all else fails, then rent or borrrow one that will give you a quality, reliable ride and go have fun. A little time spent at sites like 'The Tandem Link' can lead you to many helpful articles that can enhance your first experience on a tndem considerably. Good luck!

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    I see that you are from the Grapevine, TX area. Richardson Bike Mart has decent tandems for rent. I also saw this Burley on Craigslist for $900. If it fits, it will make a good starter tandem.

    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/bik/927000792.html

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    Hi Rishardh. I saw that too, but it sounds too big for us. On the other hand, my mind only works in metric so the english doesn't sound right to me at all.

    I think I have him convinced to rent one from RBM this weekend and do one of the weekly rides with it. I really want to know how different it is to ride a tandem than to ride alone. This will also give us an idea of what size to look for!
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    It's great to have a nearby rental option. If they have more than one bike/brand in their stable which fits you, try riding each different one -- they do handle differently.
    2.54 cm per inch -- so, for rough comparisons, multiply the inches by 10 and divide by 4. I'd pay more attention to the standover height than the frame size, and, if you're buying a used bike, a slightly shorter seattube for the captain is a good thing -- gives you more flexibility for setting the stoker's handlebar height. A shorter seattube for the stoker gives you room for a shock-absorbing seatpost if that seems like a good idea to you.

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    We just got back from LBS test driving a couple of tandems (a Trek T900 and a Santana something-road-bike-setup). I have to say, I'm not in love with not having any control over the steering, gears, or braking.

    But spousal unit loved it! To our surprise, he prefers the Trek T900 MTB setup to the road bike configuration. He found the road bike very difficult to control but the MTB was comfy and infinately controllable.

    So we were thinking of looking for a MTB-tandem and changing the tires to a 26 X 1.25 or 1.35. We have already done this with his daughter's MTB to make it easier for her to manage on pavement.

    Has anyone else done something similar? We learned today that we couldn't possibly predict the dynamic on a tandem (like we could on a single-person bike).

    Sorry for all the NOOB questions. Thanks for your patience & advice!

    PS> Any stokers out there with advice for me would be welcome too. I can't see myself getting used to this any time soon without some "professional" help....
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    Our first tandem was a MTB tandem with 26" wheels that had sleek tires. After a while when we were comfortable we wanted to go faster so I got a set of 700c tandem wheels and mavic adapters that allowed you to re-position your V Brakes for 700c wheels. Before I did this I put on my 700c wheels from my single bike and made sure there is enough clearance in the fork and rear stays and got the correct wheelset to match the rear spacing. This increased the standover height and the BB height by about an inch and felt different at first but we got used to it and we were a bit faster but not by much.

    This turned into a complete makeover and we ended up with drop bars, STI shifters, different gearing, etc. This year we took the plunge and got a true road tandem and we are much faster. I think the stiffer frame and the quality of the drivetrain was the difference. That's my experience. Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasminha View Post
    PS> Any stokers out there with advice for me would be welcome too. I can't see myself getting used to this any time soon without some "professional" help....
    I'm a captain, but know my stoker well . . .

    If you have more experience than spousal unit, maybe you should captain. There are teams where the lighter, smaller unit captains very successfully. It's all about judgement. If you admire spousal unit's judgement, you'll get used to stoker because the other unit will almost always do the right thing and protect you. You'll gradually get comfortable with it. Captains I know ride tandem more conservatively than their singles, knowing they have a precious item aboard.

    Sometimes there are cadence issues which require compromise, change, or both. Sometimes stylistic differences, the same. The saying that the stoker is always right tends to make the team more equal in control.

    More thoughts:
    We borrowed two different tandems from friends and rode each several times on different types of routes before deciding: #1 we liked it, and #2 what sort of tandem we thought we'd like to own. We thought Co-Motion and promptly had a terrible test ride on a dealer's bike that wasn't set up for us. But had faith and bought a used Co-Mo that was what we thought we wanted. Great success. So don't place too much stock in that one unsuccessful trial of a road tandem.

    You might want your spousal unit to try test riding with an experienced stoker. That's the biggest thing we noticed. I think it might be harder to stoke than to captain well, at least to start with.
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    We're still riding our starter tandem, a bought-new 2000 KHS Tandemania Comp. "MTB" with flat bars and 26" wheels but moves along nicely on the road with minimal-tread 1.25" 90psi tires.

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    All of the Lambo bikes are total crap.
    Raleigh/Diamondback has some nice, inexpensive tandems. Or, as mentioned, hit craigslist/eBay and see what you can find. I would definitely avoid the Lambo as if it were a Wal-Mart bike (because it is)

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    Stoker tips from a tandem newbie this year

    My husband and I have ridden mountain bikes for years. Because of my developing allergies/asthma, we decided to buy a used mtn tandem. We fell in love. Then we bought a used road tandem. Now, that's all we ride. We've ridden all kinds of terrain and we've done great at it.
    I'm the stoker and it was a big adjustment at first, but I got used to it pretty quick. Because my husband did treat me like precious cargo and was really careful at first about scaring me, I trusted him to keep us both safe. Now, we ride really well together. Right from the get go, we decided the stoker was always right and the captain was always wrong. That sure made it easy when he wanted to yell at me or blame me for a mistake WE made. We could laugh about it together instead of entering the blame game. The number one thing is comfort. The captain must make sure the stoker is as comfortable as possible meaning the bike is set up for you. We had to buy a thudbuster seat post for me to get comfortable along with longer cranks. Whatever it takes, it's worth it because it keeps us connected enjoying a sport together. You can't put a price on that. I've had much difficulty getting comfortable on the road bike. I've never ridden a road bike and I am used to moving around all the time. I've tried all kinds of seats but I've resorted to the Terry Butterfly off of my mountain bike which is totally broken in, but that's still not cutting it. My poor husband is trying everything.
    Right away, I learned that being the stoker, I cannot lean into turns like I used to do on my own bike. Communication is the best tool for riding a tandem. We are constantly talking to each other about what's ahead. My husband tells me when there's a bump (prior to having clipless pedals), when to duck or there's an face slapper coming, or sometimes which direction we're turning and he lets me know when we need more power, speed, etc... I tell him when I'm clear when we're in tight sections so he can adjust our direction. He waits for my word, "clear" to make his choice on which way to lean or turn. We are riding some very technical trails on our tandem and are making it because of good communication. We have trouble clearing some logs over a certain height which we learned the hard way-bent the chain ring! I guess I could go on and on because I am just on fire about riding tandem with your spouse. For the most part, because I have so much faith in my captain, I threw my fears out the window and I just go where he goes. He uses good judgment that I can trust. I'm riding things that I would never attempt on my own single bike. Until he throws me on my head, I'm just going to enjoy the ride. I'm loving it and I hope you give it a chance and have the time of your life!
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    Thanks for all the great advice! I would have never imagined how much different a tandem is than a signle.

    We rented the Trek T900 from LBS this weekend. He changed the tires and him and his daughter (10 years old, 6mph top speed )have been having a ball all weekend! We went about 40 miles today--which we never would have been able to do without the tandem. So tomorrow he and I will try it out with me as stoker before we return it to LBS.
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    I will give you my very limited view. We bought a $200 Pacifica mtb. My wife is a non biker and in poor condition. We have only ridden about 50 miles so far and I have changed the stoker seat, bars, and stem trying to get the stoker comfy. I have recently changed the knoby tires to 1.25 slicks but have yet ridden on the new tires. I have really enjoyed the few rides we have taken and the bike is more than serviceable in my opinion. On the flats it seems to be faster than my solo ride but not as agile. We haven't tried climbiing yet so that is still an unknown. If I find that she will ride I intend to buy a quality ride but for getting started I feel that we made the correct choice for starters. Small investment, should be able to get most, if not all, of the original investment back. It shifts fine and has very wide gearing for the many hills we have here.

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    ... actually I think that the phrase is "the stoker makes no mistakes". Subtle difference from being always right.

    See if you can connect with a tandem club in your area. Seattle's Evergreen Tandem Club does a "Tandems 101" class in the spring. They bring in a wide variety of member's bikes -- different makers and frame styles -- and have a simple, orderly routine for test rides on a 1/2-mile or so loop:
    1. Their captain, your stoker
    2. Their captain, your captain as stoker
    3. Your captain, their stoker
    4. After you join up for a year -- insurance issues, but pretty cheap rental for trying out a bunch of bikes all at once -- your team can ride their bikes.

    Definitely worth talking with people who have been doing it for a while.

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    So we put a down payment on the Trek. Kiddo is having a fit to go with us on a ride, so once we get it out of layaway we'll take her out on a t-shirt ride. She's completely stoked (no pun intended!)

    It's going to take some getting used to for me though. What a great idea to practice with an experienced captain and vice versa. I will check out our LBS to see if they have a similar deal. Thanks for the great advice!
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    ""So we put a down payment on the Trek.""

    Congrats....good choice. The fun just gets better from here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasminha View Post
    So we put a down payment on the Trek. Kiddo is having a fit to go with us on a ride, so once we get it out of layaway we'll take her out on a t-shirt ride. She's completely stoked (no pun intended!)

    It's going to take some getting used to for me though. What a great idea to practice with an experienced captain and vice versa. I will check out our LBS to see if they have a similar deal. Thanks for the great advice!

    Congratulations!!! Happy riding. There is a Tandem Club in the Dallas area. Their website is http://www.doubledates.com We are not members yet but they seem to be a jolly crowd. I think they have an annual event where the blind gets to ride as the stoker. I think thats very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rishardh View Post
    Congratulations!!! Happy riding. There is a Tandem Club in the Dallas area. Their website is http://www.doubledates.com We are not members yet but they seem to be a jolly crowd. I think they have an annual event where the blind gets to ride as the stoker. I think thats very cool.
    Thanks for the link. I especially like the work with the blind. I had heard about that from the girl that sold us our bike... but she made it sound like it happened only once. I hope we can participate.
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    I see this post is a little late, but I didn't see the PM until just now. At any rate, I bought the Lambo tandem last year, and it's been well worth the price.

    I'm a 6'3" cat 4 ~200mile/week rider, and my wife is 5'6" recreational rider. We were able to set up the bike to fit without replacing any parts, she did opt for a different saddle. Unfortunately we don't get opporunity to ride together as much as I'd like, but we've got over 1000 miles on it, and it's not needed anything but cable tightening.

    Initial setup was what you expect from dept store level bike. I had to tear down and rebuild the threaded headset, and true the wheels. The shifters have functioned flawlessly since set up.

    This isn't a race bike, but a great ride for recovery days. There are a few gripes; the timing chain is noisy due to the tensioner pulley, I'd much prefer eccentric hubs, and the gearing is too low for the speed strong riders want to achieve on the road. We've done group rides, and run out of gear around 26 mph. Again though, that is clearly not what this bike was built for. There really isn't room to upgrade this cost effectively, so if you want a better bike, buy it straight away, but if you prefer brifters to rapid fire, and want a cheap tandem cruiser, this is the only option on the market.

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