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    Just a quick observation, a 15 year old fatality causes a change to limit to 12 or older?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewbieIATandem View Post
    Just a quick observation, a 15 year old fatality causes a change to limit to 12 or older?
    More likely the '06 fatalities -- remember there were two events with fatalities, not just one -- brought about a legal / liability assessment of all MS 150 event rules, to include those pertaining to younger children, route selection, route management, volunteers, and the like.

    Not positive of this, but it would seem to be a semi-reasonable assumption.

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    Thank you for the perspective. It is frustrating how we have to pass laws and rules based on generalizations. I think we all know some 7 year olds that are more responsible /careful than some 30 year olds.
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    Get yourself on the MS150 ride committee and lobby for a change . . .

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    My local MS ride has altered it's route for this year - Alberta transport has banned them from one of the roads, so now it's the MS-200. Fine, I figure the safer the route the better.

    Of note, they have posted that for 2010 there will be mandatory bike inspections (at LBS of course) required before the ride. This seems a little over the top to me. Two LBS shops have been providing good support for the ride, and I try to give them business in return.

    (a little off topic here - it's just so hard to give them business when they just don't seem to want mine)

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    Update-I thought I would let you know that I called up the MS Society here (Kansas City), any my daughter will again be allowed to ride on the MS150 riding on our triplet. They stated that she was "grandfathered" in because she rode with us before this rule was instated. I don't know if they actually have grounds for that or not, but they stated that I would not need to check with them in later years because they already know about it. I'm glad to be the exception, but I am not happy to think that others who have come to the event later, might not be allowed to participate.

    I do have to fill out an extra form with a notary, but that's not a problem because they provide the notary at one of the sign-ups.

    Please post if they ever change their minds.
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    Thanks Kansas City

    Thanks for the info on the Kansas City MS150. I will pass on to our organizers here in Pittsburghto see if I can wear them down a bit with the knowledge that other rides are "Grandfathering".

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    The '06 fatality was from our FedEx team here in Pittsburgh (before I was on the team). I feel like the MS150 rides are safer than being out on our own, however. Although I know no matter how safe we may be, not all drivers are all that careful or law abiding.

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    No more kids after 1/2010 as National Policy

    Well, thank you everyone for your inputs and suggestions. I recontacted our local MS organization with the info about the Kansas City MS ride still allowing children under 12 on tandems. The info below is their response. Those of you still riding MS 150s with kids in regions they are still allowed to ride, enjoy it while you can! By 2010 it will all be over for younger riders.


    Dear Don,

    Thank you for your concerns about your son's ability to ride in the upcoming Bike MS: Escape to the Lake. I certainly understand both you and your son's frustrations about not being able to ride in an event that has traditionally allowed children to participate. Lauren shared with me your concerns about this new policy and that you have spoken to other riders from other chapters who may be allowing younger riders to participate. I wanted to follow up with you on this issue and to share, in greater detail, information about this new policy.

    In 2007, a National Task Force was formed with representatives from all around the country to evaluate all of the Bike MS rides, their safety protocols and any existing age policies. The Task Force set out to review existing safety strategies for Bike MS and to make recommendations to ensure the continued safety of all participants. Through careful analysis of industry practices from 2006 to present, and after review of our claims history we developed a “youth requirement” policy to include a “minimum age requirement”.

    Outcomes from the 2007 Task Force included the adoption of Cycling Safety Strategies including a minimum age of 12 for all riders. While the age minimum allowed for some discretion on the part of chapters during the past 2 years, the intent was to move to a Society wide minimum age requirement of at least 12 to provide the highest level of safety for all riders.

    Over the past two years, Chapters have been asked to implement this policy with the final deadline for implementation to be set for January 1, 2010. Starting with the Cook Forest River Ride last fall, the Allegheny District Chapter adopted this policy so that it could be in compliance with the National standard and protocol. This age standard is the minimum, and many chapters have actually set the age limit at their state's driving age. The policies apply to tandem riders as well. The Chapter strongly feels that with the challenge and size of our rides, it is in the best interest of all of our riders to maintain this age policy standard from this point forward. While we cannot speak to the policies of other Chapters, I can tell you that all Chapters must be in compliance by January 1, 2010 or their events will not legally be covered or insured.

    While on a personal note, I can certainly appreciate your son's disappointment and am sure that he is a responsible rider. However, we are responsible for the well-being of over nearly 1700 cyclists and hundreds of volunteers - and we take this responsibility very seriously. All decisions we make regarding safety are for the well-being of all riders and are meant, to the best of our ability, to prevent any possible risk of injury for all cyclists that ride in our events.

    I appreciate your persistence with this issue and to get answers! I hope that you will continue to be a part of the Bike MS event and that you continue to foster the love of cycling in your son so that he will be able to join us again in a couple years. Thank you for understanding this delicate issue and for your continued support of the important work of the National MS Society.


    XXX XXXX

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    They just can't handle the nuance that a tandem stoker is not at all the same as a kid riding their own bike. There is no rational reason why a kid stoker should be banned; they just can't handle the distinction, so a blanket policy ruins what should be a very valid participant team.

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    Could you have the child stoker not signed up as a participant and just bring the tandem and the child? If they have a problem with it, could you just hand them your number and ride with the rest of the MS 150 participants?
    Last edited by osurxbiker; 04-10-09 at 07:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWaB View Post
    Now the insults have started, calling me a Kiwi

    By the way, 'British English' is just 'English', every other form is a derivation.
    Forgive them. Most Americans are pitifully ignorant. You will be lucky to find 1 in 100 who knows the difference between Rules, Union and League.

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