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Old 10-07-09, 07:10 PM   #1
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Calling Homeyba

Homey, Since we were on opposing stages at the FC 508, I got some great shots of you on the Calfee. Shoot me a pm with your e-mail and I'll send them to you.
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Homey, Since we were on opposing stages at the FC 508, I got some great shots of you on the Calfee. Shoot me a pm with your e-mail and I'll send them to you.
Cool, thanks! Congrats on a great finish! Did you guys enjoy the beautiful full moon in Death Valley? Gotto love that place!
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Congrats to you too! The moon was awesome from what I could see through the sand storm. Wow, that was some some wind. While descending Townes Pass it blew me from the center of our lane all the way over to the fog line in the opposing lane. Yikes!
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Yeah, it was awefully windy. Lots of people were getting blown around. Even on the tandem it was pretty bad. We barely averaged 10mph from Furnace Creek to Shoshone!
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ok we'll get some pics for you Stray8! coming soon...
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Say Homeyba, while you're over here, what tires and pressures did you run on the 508?
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I ran a couple different tires/wheels. I stared on 25mm Conti GP4000 clinchers running 120psi. Those were on my Zipp 404's and HED wheels. I also used Mavic tubular's with 23mm Vittoria Corsa Evos. I believe the pressure on the Vittoria's was somewhere around 130-140psi
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I ran a couple different tires/wheels. I stared on 25mm Conti GP4000 clinchers running 120psi. Those were on my Zipp 404's and HED wheels. I also used Mavic tubular's with 23mm Vittoria Corsa Evos. I believe the pressure on the Vittoria's was somewhere around 130-140psi
Wow on the Corsas! And you're not a tiny team, right? Those are some fast, light tires. Did you climb on the light tires and ride the flatter sections on the Zipps or HEDs? They all held up OK? We've been running 23c TriComps @140 with a 300 lb. team and they've been great. One pinch flat on a rock the size of my thumb. Must have hit it just right. Been coveting the Corsa clinchers for my single, but can't justify the cost for just riding around.

Great job! I hope I see Chris this winter and can pump him for stories.
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Actually I was more worried about the wind with the aero wheels rather than the climbing. That HED wheel is like a sail in the wind! Unfortunately I ruined the front Corsa at about 45mph on the descent into Kelso. That was pretty exciting.
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Hey Homeyba, are you and those funny looking skinny tires going to ride with us on the 600k? Too bad Bobolink is going back to China before the ride as I am sure she would be up for stoking for you.

Lisa tells me that you came in first in your class on the 508!

It seems that everyone was there but me. How did I get stuck at home watching he kids?

Actually, now that I think about it, the kids and I had a pretty good time without the 50 MPH winds!
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What weekend is the 600k? Bobolink would be awesome! I have a new stoker but I don't know if she would be up for that long of a ride yet. I know if I asked her, she'd say yes. She's an ultra-runner so I'm not woried about her condition but she hasn't even riden a century yet. A 600k might be a little long for her first bike ride over 30 miles.

Yeah, we were first and we set a course record. The record is pretty soft though, because of the weather. i'm sure it'll be broken before too long. Our two tandem record was broken by 4 minutes this year! Harruumph! Records are meant to be broken but It'd be really nice to have a record last more than one year...
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Unfortunately I ruined the front Corsa at about 45mph on the descent into Kelso. That was pretty exciting.
How did you ruin the Corsa?
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We've been running 23c TriComps @140 with a 300 lb. team and they've been great.
Are the 23c wide enough for a tandem? I have mostly used 25c Gatorskins. I have a 25c Rubino Pro on the back and it seems really big and rides softer than the Gatorskins which I find all Conti tires to ride stiff.
Interested in the 23c Tricomps though, we weigh 250 lbs.
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Are the 23c wide enough for a tandem? I have mostly used 25c Gatorskins. I have a 25c Rubino Pro on the back and it seems really big and rides softer than the Gatorskins which I find all Conti tires to ride stiff.
Interested in the 23c Tricomps though, we weigh 250 lbs.
I've used those Tricomps on my singles for years and put them on our tandem because I sometimes ride my single with a local tandem racing team - more record holder types - tremendous fun holding their wheel. Anyway, they run the same Tricomps on their tandem and are probably 25 lbs. heavier, so thought I'd give it them a try - same tires on all bikes then.

You'll notice the difference. The Corsas are a very thin tire, not hazard-proof by a long shot. The Tricomps are quite tough, though it's possible to slice a sidewall like any tire. But be sure to pump them to 140.
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How did you ruin the Corsa?

Yeah, pretty much. It went flat suddenly so I had to stop the bike from full speed on the flat tire. That section of road is so horrible that I was worried that the rim would be distroyed. The tire stayed on but it got so hot that the glue melted!
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I've used those Tricomps on my singles for years and put them on our tandem because I sometimes ride my single with a local tandem racing team - more record holder types - tremendous fun holding their wheel. Anyway, they run the same Tricomps on their tandem and are probably 25 lbs. heavier, so thought I'd give it them a try - same tires on all bikes then.

You'll notice the difference.
What difference is that? Faster? Smoother? Both?
Like most I am always trying to find that balance of low rolling resistance, suppleness, grip and reasonable life. I am willing to sacrifce some life for the others. I have found on my single bike Michelin Pro2 and now Pro3 has been the best for me but I don't think its a tire that would be suitable on a tandem. I think the rear tread would be gone in no time. The Pro3s are really getting a bad rap comapred to the Pro2 but I haven't any problem with them yet.
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I run the 23's on my bike quite often and we're closer to 400lbs than 350lbs. If I had to do it over again, I would have put on some 25mm wheels/tires for the descent into Kelso. Just because the road is so bad. It's basically just and oiled bed of rocks...
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Yeah, pretty much. It went flat suddenly so I had to stop the bike from full speed on the flat tire. That section of road is so horrible that I was worried that the rim would be distroyed. The tire stayed on but it got so hot that the glue melted!
Aha, another instance of braking rim heat failure, only with the tubular glue melt variation.
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What weekend is the 600k? Bobolink would be awesome! I have a new stoker but I don't know if she would be up for that long of a ride yet. I know if I asked her, she'd say yes. She's an ultra-runner so I'm not woried about her condition but she hasn't even riden a century yet. A 600k might be a little long for her first bike ride over 30 miles.

Yeah, we were first and we set a course record. The record is pretty soft though, because of the weather. i'm sure it'll be broken before too long. Our two tandem record was broken by 4 minutes this year! Harruumph! Records are meant to be broken but It'd be really nice to have a record last more than one year...

The 600k is October 17. http://www.pchrandos.com/ It runs from Salinas to Oxnard - one way. Take the train to the start/finish. Vickie is riding so you could probably carpool or catch the train with her. You should ride with us, it will be fun!

I talked to Bobolink this afternoon, I think she was in the airport on her way back to China. She probably wont be back until next year's 508 or RAAM, but I am trying to con her into riding the PCH 1000k next April.

Oh, just go ahead and ask your new stoker to ride the 600 - you can always bailout when you ride by your house if it proves to be an issue. Just because the ride is 12.5 times longer than her longest to date what makes you think it would be a little long for her?
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Aha, another instance of braking rim heat failure, only with the tubular glue melt variation.
By looking at it you could certainly come to that conclusion. I don't think that is what happened though because I hadn't touched the brakes prior to the tire failing. I think it heated up like that just getting the bike stopped. I have no problem using the front brake even though the tire is completely flat. Rolling over that really bad pavement with the flat tire at 40+mph kind of shredded it.
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Here are a couple pics of the "wonderful" Kelso-Cima Rd. pavement. If you can call it pavement. That's what shredded the tire after it flated.




This is the bikes/bike rack. For those in the "how much does that bike cost" thread there is $30k+ in bicycles on the back of that van!


Sun set in the Panamint Valley.


Were there winds at the 508 this year???


This is our hero on the climb out of Baker.
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The 600k is October 17. http://www.pchrandos.com/ It runs from Salinas to Oxnard - one way. Take the train to the start/finish. Vickie is riding so you could probably carpool or catch the train with her. You should ride with us, it will be fun!

I talked to Bobolink this afternoon, I think she was in the airport on her way back to China. She probably wont be back until next year's 508 or RAAM, but I am trying to con her into riding the PCH 1000k next April.

Oh, just go ahead and ask your new stoker to ride the 600 - you can always bailout when you ride by your house if it proves to be an issue. Just because the ride is 12.5 times longer than her longest to date what makes you think it would be a little long for her?
Unfortunately the 17th is a bad weekend for me. Sounds like fun though. Even if we just rode home from Salinas!
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For those in the "how much does that bike cost" thread there is $30k+ in bicycles on the back of that van!
You paid that much for bicycles?




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Well, to be perfectly honest, there are certain advantages to being sponsored by Calfee!

btw, if you look in that picture of the blowing sand, you can see one of our tandems on the road.

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