Campagnolo Record for less than Ultegra.
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The rear derailleur is dead on; I was very concerned about tossing $500 worth of derailleurs in the trash when I had them both apart and was drilling/cutting on things. However, once it was done I was very pleased with the finished part. A medium length 11s cage would be best for a 53/39 with a 12-29 cassette, even though they say it will 'work'.
I am also pretty happy if I'm only getting 3-4 gears that rub the derailleur when in low-low gearing. For now, I have the cable adjusted so that I can quiet it down on the fly. In Dallas, we don't use anything but the 53t ring anyhow. I set the bike up to handle the 39/53 with no noise in any combination of gears.
I do get chain ring rub on my Ridley, mostly because the rings I'm running (55/44 elliptical) With the stock gears (39/53, I get no rubs) Of course, this is outside of SRAM's design, so I expect it to not be perfect.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the interference you can get when the derailleur cage is too short for the gearing and/or the B-limit screw isn't cranked all the way in to create the needed room between the derailleur's jockey wheel and the larger rear sprockets. I run into that type of chain-chatter when I'm in our 32t chain ring and running a 12x32t cassette with our older (now discontinued) long-cage Campy Record rear derailleur, as the RD is really not designed to deal with much more than Campy's 13x29t wide-range cassette.
It's a minor annoyance that we only experience on the steepest climbs, e.g., stuff in the 15% and up range that we encounter only a few times a year.
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If you don't care about running a SRAM rear derail. with a Campy 10 spd shifter, it looks like DaVinci offers a workaround (or rather, they said it's "coming soon" on 10spd shifter-10spd derail., but do have a 10spd shifter-9spd derail. solution now).
https://www.davincitandems.com/images/sram2.jpg
Scroll down here to the product description:
https://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html
https://www.davincitandems.com/images/sram2.jpg
Scroll down here to the product description:
https://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html
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Front derailleur on the inside when going from small ring to low gearing. It was this noise or a slow ramp up on the big ring. I 'bet' a bit of a custom dimple (1mm range) would fix the derailleur. However, I didn't want to think that much after feeling lucky that the rear derailleur worked so well.
Campagnolo chain rings have a better designed chain ramp; which requires less pressure to 'shift'. I think a set of Campagnolo rings would fix it also. I have LIghtning cranks ordered... I bet Tim can do a set of 135mm spiders on the right side and I just run the Campy rings...
Campagnolo chain rings have a better designed chain ramp; which requires less pressure to 'shift'. I think a set of Campagnolo rings would fix it also. I have LIghtning cranks ordered... I bet Tim can do a set of 135mm spiders on the right side and I just run the Campy rings...
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If you don't care about running a SRAM rear derail. with a Campy 10 spd shifter, it looks like DaVinci offers a workaround (or rather, they said it's "coming soon" on 10spd shifter-10spd derail., but do have a 10spd shifter-9spd derail. solution now).
https://www.davincitandems.com/images/sram2.jpg
Scroll down here to the product description:
https://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html
https://www.davincitandems.com/images/sram2.jpg
Scroll down here to the product description:
https://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html
Campagnolo makes a "comp" long cage derailleur. 40t max capacity. They also have a medium cage Record, centaur and chorus derailleur. Not sure if it's last year's stock or not, but that stuff should be available as NOS if it is.
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As for the newer C0-0 Campagnolo 10 Speed Shifters and Shimano/SRAM 10 speed Cassette that's listed as 'coming soon' on their Website, best bet would be to call up Todd or Brian at daVinci to confirm that it's now available. I think it is, but woudn't swear by it.
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As noted elsewhere, I've always played in the narrow shifting margins that exist between Campy & Shimano cassettes by using Campy Ergo levers with Campy rear derailleurs without any modifications or tricks: I can run Shimano 9, Shimano 10 or Campy 10 interchangably with just a change of the cassettes (or a freehub/cassette) and chains plus a little fine-tuning of the barrel adjusters. Yes, there will occassionally be a little chain chatter in one or two gears, but it's easily trimmed out with just a little finger pressure on the right hand Ergo's shift lever or paddle.
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Hadn't thought of Di2 on a tandem--that would be pretty unreal, esp. for the reasons you mentioned.
I tried it once (Di2 on a road bike, that is), and it's pretty sharp. If it trickles down to Ultegra level pricing, now you're talkin'.
I tried it once (Di2 on a road bike, that is), and it's pretty sharp. If it trickles down to Ultegra level pricing, now you're talkin'.
These work 'pretty well'; much better than the J-Tek shiftmates if only becase you don't get the cam-walk that can occur with the J-Tek. However, like all cable-shifted tandems, the real evil that can throw off shifting is the derailleur cable drag and/or stretch that you get with that very-long derailleur cable. The latter is probably why Shimano's Di2 holds some much promise for tandem owners who are looking for that perfect shift that only a servo-driven, smart cable-less system like Di2 or the hoped-for / still in development Di3 could provide.
As for the newer C0-0 Campagnolo 10 Speed Shifters and Shimano/SRAM 10 speed Cassette that's listed as 'coming soon' on their Website, best bet would be to call up Todd or Brian at daVinci to confirm that it's now available. I think it is, but woudn't swear by it.
As for the newer C0-0 Campagnolo 10 Speed Shifters and Shimano/SRAM 10 speed Cassette that's listed as 'coming soon' on their Website, best bet would be to call up Todd or Brian at daVinci to confirm that it's now available. I think it is, but woudn't swear by it.
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A gutted pair of DI2 bar end shifters and some creative epoxy work on a left campy brake lever or custom mount on the handlebars would make for a real slick front derailleur solution.
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Much more expertise in the above posts than I can hope to muster, but just by way of reference: our daVinci uses Campy Chorus Ergo shifters. The RD is a modified SRAM x9 unit which shifts any of the 9-spd cassettes I've tried flawlessly. The FDhandles a quad-ring 1/2-size chainring with what I believe is a custom FD. FD is not indexed, but after about 1000 miles and 1000 curses I got the hang of it. FWIW I much prefer the Campy shifters of the Shimano 105 brifters on my single, but the Shimano shifts flawlessly as well. I'll switch to 10-spd when my tandem LBS is convinced it works well enough; we're not a particularly strong team so I'm not going to worry about durability and our longer chainline gives us more cross-chaining latitude.
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RV: https://www.ebikestop.com/campagnolo_...96.php?cat=494
Not *sure* what that does, didn't get enough time to look into it. However, that part is one of the parts that I drilled/modified for the 10/11 speed derailleur hybrid.
Not *sure* what that does, didn't get enough time to look into it. However, that part is one of the parts that I drilled/modified for the 10/11 speed derailleur hybrid.
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RV: https://www.ebikestop.com/campagnolo_...96.php?cat=494
Not *sure* what that does, didn't get enough time to look into it. However, that part is one of the parts that I drilled/modified for the 10/11 speed derailleur hybrid.
Not *sure* what that does, didn't get enough time to look into it. However, that part is one of the parts that I drilled/modified for the 10/11 speed derailleur hybrid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPNf...layer_embedded
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Just pondering about Di2
I wonder if you could get away with running Di2 with:
- 53/38 rings on a standard double
- 11-36 SRAM XX 10-speed cassette
38t is the smallest that will fit on 130mm BCD. The 38x36 gets you down to 27.8 gear inches which puts you right between a 30x28 and a 30x29.
That said, you could do the same with other groups... say SRAM Red.
A cool combo might be something like this:
Cranks: Lightning tandem set with 130BCD
Shifters: SRAM Force or Red
FD: SRAM Force
RD: SRAM XX
Cassette: SRAM XX
I wonder if you could get away with running Di2 with:
- 53/38 rings on a standard double
- 11-36 SRAM XX 10-speed cassette
38t is the smallest that will fit on 130mm BCD. The 38x36 gets you down to 27.8 gear inches which puts you right between a 30x28 and a 30x29.
That said, you could do the same with other groups... say SRAM Red.
A cool combo might be something like this:
Cranks: Lightning tandem set with 130BCD
Shifters: SRAM Force or Red
FD: SRAM Force
RD: SRAM XX
Cassette: SRAM XX
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Just pondering about Di2
I wonder if you could get away with running Di2 with:
- 53/38 rings on a standard double
- 11-36 SRAM XX 10-speed cassette
38t is the smallest that will fit on 130mm BCD. The 38x36 gets you down to 27.8 gear inches which puts you right between a 30x28 and a 30x29.
That said, you could do the same with other groups... say SRAM Red.
A cool combo might be something like this:
Cranks: Lightning tandem set with 130BCD
Shifters: SRAM Force or Red
FD: SRAM Force
RD: SRAM XX
Cassette: SRAM XX
I wonder if you could get away with running Di2 with:
- 53/38 rings on a standard double
- 11-36 SRAM XX 10-speed cassette
38t is the smallest that will fit on 130mm BCD. The 38x36 gets you down to 27.8 gear inches which puts you right between a 30x28 and a 30x29.
That said, you could do the same with other groups... say SRAM Red.
A cool combo might be something like this:
Cranks: Lightning tandem set with 130BCD
Shifters: SRAM Force or Red
FD: SRAM Force
RD: SRAM XX
Cassette: SRAM XX
Please note this is not a long cage vs. short cage issue, it is an issue with the movement of the derailleur body. You will have the same limitations on SRAM Force or Red RDs.
I am a big fan of Di2 and think it would be ideal for tandem use provided they get it to work with a derailleur like an XTR that can handle a wider range cluster and they bring the price down to the current DA level.
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I thought about that, but then I saw this: https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...ail-on-display
So yeah, RD body was the reason I listed a SRAM XX RD instead of Red/Force.
Just food or thought. I mean I am happy with my setup, but XX really makes it possible to shed some grams while keeping a wide range, and it is directly compatible with SRAM road levers.
So yeah, RD body was the reason I listed a SRAM XX RD instead of Red/Force.
Just food or thought. I mean I am happy with my setup, but XX really makes it possible to shed some grams while keeping a wide range, and it is directly compatible with SRAM road levers.
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I thought about that, but then I saw this: https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...ail-on-display
So yeah, RD body was the reason I listed a SRAM XX RD instead of Red/Force.
Just food or thought. I mean I am happy with my setup, but XX really makes it possible to shed some grams while keeping a wide range, and it is directly compatible with Shimano/SRAM road levers.
So yeah, RD body was the reason I listed a SRAM XX RD instead of Red/Force.
Just food or thought. I mean I am happy with my setup, but XX really makes it possible to shed some grams while keeping a wide range, and it is directly compatible with Shimano/SRAM road levers.
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It adds a couple of holes for the spring tang to change the tension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPNf...layer_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPNf...layer_embedded
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Just using this extant thread to note that Competitive Cyclist has a terrific promotion on 2010 Campagnolo.
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