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Old 03-26-11, 07:02 PM   #1
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New ergo levers

To help resolve some soreness in my elbow I am thinking of updating my Campy 10 speed levers to the newer 10 or 11 speed shaped campy levers. I am currently running 9 speed shimano cog set with a shimano rear derailer. If I go to shaped 10 speed levers the rear set up can be used as is or updated to a 10 speed cog set, down side being a potentialy weaker chain. If I go to 11 speed levers it looks like I can only go to 10 speed as I do not see an option on the jtek page for campy 11 shifters, shimano derailer and 9 speed cog set.

Does anybody have any feedback or expierience with the setips I am contemplating?

Appreciate any input, Thanks
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Old 03-27-11, 03:38 PM   #2
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I have the Centaur 10 speed shifters on my tandem and single and really like them.
Be aware you may have to change the FD to a Campy Comp Triple.
You can usually find a good deal on them at one of the UK online shops.
10 speed chain has not been a problem. I like the KMC X10 chains.
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Old 03-27-11, 03:44 PM   #3
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A couple of thoughts - why do you think the lever shape will help your elbows? I'd try a quick ride on a demo bike before you part with $$s

Regarding the chain, the 10 speed is as strong as a 9 speed chain. It just wears quicker (all things being equal) as it has smaller bearing surfaces. In my experience chains last a decent amount of time as long as you buy reasonable quality and keep everything clean. Campag chains are amongst the best.

Regarding 11 speed, if 11 speed deraileurs will work with both 10 or 11 speed shifters, I would be surprised if a 9->10 Jtek wouldn't allow you to run the 11 speed shifter on a 10 speed block. Any difference would be taken up by the floating upper jockey wheel and careful tuning from the middle of the block.
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Regarding the chain, the 10 speed is as strong as a 9 speed chain. It just wears quicker (all things being equal) as it has smaller bearing surfaces. In my experience chains last a decent amount of time as long as you buy reasonable quality and keep everything clean. Campag chains are amongst the best.
Could you explain how the bearing surfaces are smaller if the inside width of the chains are the same?
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A couple of thoughts - why do you think the lever shape will help your elbows? I'd try a quick ride on a demo bike before you part with $$s..
I have a cross bike with Sram Force installed which I find quite comfortable , although I don't have anything else good to say about them. I have ridden a friends single with Campy 11 and found the economics to be similar. I have a singe with non ergonomic campy (ergo) on it. When I ride that single I do not have problems. I am thinking the nature of captaining a tandem results in more time on the hoods and a greater work load and stress on the arms.
The choice comes down to the campy economic 10 speed or 11 speed shifters. ( assumptions are based on shimano derailers and cassettes) I think if I go 11 speed shifters I have to go 10 speed drive drain. If I do 10 speed shifters I can run either 9 or 10 speed.
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Regarding the new Campy levers. Which models have the ability to shift multiple gears with one push of the lever like the older models. From what I understand they have gone to a mechanism which only allows one gear at a time on the lower spec levers.
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I am thinking the nature of captaining a tandem results in more time on the hoods and a greater work load and stress on the arms.
+1. I'm not having particular problems with our Campy hoods, but when the terrain is at all rolling I'm on the hoods full time because of the very frequent shifting. It's a bit treat to hit a flat stretch or even a consistent climb where I can get in the drops.
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It should be possible to shift cogs from the hook portion of the drops. I do this often with my 10 speed ergos. I have done the same with Shimano Ultegra or DA 10 speed shifter levers but with greater difficulty going to bigger cogs due to the larger lever sweep. Front shifting to a larger ring was impossible for me with Shimano while Ergos are possible but difficult. I found with Shimano that moving to larger cogs or rings streesed my wrists and elbows. I feel Shimano is made for hands larger than mine. I have also heard some with large hands find Campy uncomfortable.

Can you ride with your hands far enough forward in the hook to reach the shifters?

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Can you ride with your hands far enough forward in the hook to reach the shifters?

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Wayne, (I assume this was addressed to me in the tradition of approved thread hijacking) I can shift from the drops, but I normally ride on the ends of the bars and have to move my hands up along the bars to shift. I'd probably need to change the stem to slide my natural position further up toward the shifters or I could rotate the bars: would be an easy experiment. I have average size hands and find the Campy shifters more natural than the 105's on my single. I'm going to look for Campy shifters for my wife's single because she finds the 105's very awkward.
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