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Old 03-07-12, 03:34 PM   #1
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Help with upgrades on Trek T-1000 Tandem

We have been riding much more and I would like to do some upgrades on the bike. We could not afford the T-2000 at the time but I seem to recall it had a carbon fork, better wheels and components but the same frame.

What would be the best upgrade parts for some of the above mentioned? Whatever is done will have to be done at the bike shop as I am not a mechanic. We are a heavier total at about 325lbs but we are down from 350 if this info makes a difference. We are in Texas and most of the terrain is flat but we do travel and ride some rollers and moderate hills on the MS 150 and other rides in the hill country.

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What do expect to gain by upgrading it?
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Old 03-07-12, 04:01 PM   #3
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Well, I know what each upgrade should do for us so it is more what parts. A smoother ride and better shifting overall. Maybe should ask about best seatpost/seat for stoker. If we gain any speed from a change in wheels that would be a plus but I know dropping some weight would help out more on that. So overall, a more comfortable ride. I thought a carbon fork may take out some of the jarring/vibration on some roads.
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We have an '07 T2000 that we still ride frequently particularly on flatter century rides because it just rolls fast and rides so comfortable. Like today's C'dale Road Tandem, the T2000 was another great tandem value for the money..(ZR 9000 made in the USA frame, full Ultegra components, Carbon Fork, Race Lite Tandem wheels etc etc) ...and... the T1000 was an even better value...it is a real shame Trek no longer produces either.
Your T1000 is as you said, the same frame but less the component and wheel upgrades. Truthfully your T1000 is a pretty solid performer for the investment if it has remained well tuned. I am not convinced that the Fork or Component upgrades will give you performance or comfort improvements anywhere near proportionate to the kind of money they will now cost to buy and have installed. I agree that the fork may smooth out things upfront a bit, but so might a different set of tires and or some small tire pressure changes. Over the years I've upgraded more that a few bikes and while I always enjoyed the process, the money spent to the performance enhancement rarely were in balance ( gear ratio changes being the biggest exception to that statement).
While this may not be what you want to hear, I think your well tuned T1000 is going to feel and act whole lot like a T2000 to most of us....... Now given that, if you are determined to do something then, after insuring that your brifters and deraileurs are well tuned, I would chase a set of lighter, fast rolling wheels. There are a lot of combinations out there to consider so a lot of fun can be had choosing what will be best for your team. Good luck and have fun.
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Old 03-07-12, 07:36 PM   #5
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Thanks Bill,

We have maintained the bike very well. It is at the shop now for some minor tune ups. The tandem as is has suited us just fine. Maybe just having an itch for a different look. I really did like the race lite wheels that were on the 2000 and Ultegra components.
My single has dura ace. I am finding I ride the single less each year and doing much more on the tandem with the wife.

I have no idea but to have all of the upgrades to make the T-1000 a T-2000 today may cost more or close to the price of a used T 2000 if I found one?
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We upgraded our T-100. I think it made a descent road tandem. Total invested cost around $700.00.
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No matter what/how you upgrade you'll still basically have a Trek.

For the $$ invested you'll get temporary thrill but that wears off the the third ride.
Save your $$ and buy a better/newer tandem.
We have owned 5 tandems in 37 years. We never upgraded; if stuff wore out, then we replaced it.
Continue to drop some lbs off your persomal weight; a lot cheaper than upgrading.
Our motto: buy the best you can afford and then put 50,000+ miles on it!
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A carbon fork will shave a pound and smooth out the ride. The WoundUp comes in two different rakes and has enough clearance for larger tires and fenders.

I like carbon flat-top handlebars.

The generic suspension seatpost that came on our T2000 was junk. The Thudbuster ST works much better. We've since replaced ours with a solid seatpost, at stokers request.

Fancy wheels look cool, but I don't think the average team would feel much difference. I think I've seen the Bontragers going for $700.

That's all I can suggest because I don't know what the rest of your components are.
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No matter what/how you upgrade you'll still basically have a Trek.
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Nothing wrong with your Trek by the way but I agree with Rudy. I bought a used Co-Motion in the fall and like your Trek it is "nice" but I would sell mine used and upgrade to a really nice used tandem before dropping big $$$ upgrading it FWIW.

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I agree with Zona above.

That said if you get to the point where you ride the tandem almost every day to the exclusion of your single then I don't think a wheel purchase is just an upgrade. There can be a real benefit to having two sets of wheels for your tandem. You can set up one set for smooth roads with skinny tires and one for bumpy ones with bigger tires. Maybe use one with a 12-25 cassette and one with a wide range cassette for hills. It is also nice when you walk out to your tandem and your surprised by a wheel or tire problem to just swap wheels rather than delay a planned ride.

Another benefit of buying wheels is that when you do upgrade to your dream tandem the extra set can still probably be an extra set for it too.

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I also agree with Rudy. My feeling is that comfort and safety are the most important considerations. If you need to change saddles or stems, etc to make the bike fit better... or if you did ride in hill country and you thought that you could benefit from better brakes or lower gearing, then I would say go for it. Other than that, your money would go further if you sell and look for a used bike that is more in line with what you crave! If you buy a fairly recent tandem for maybe half, or less, of the cost of new, you will most probably get most of your money back if you eventually sell it. If you put a ton of money into new wheels, etc. for your Trek, you will not add substantially to the value or performance.
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Don't let the owners of "fancy" high priced tandems discourage you from upgrading. The Trek is as good a frame as many bikes that cost 2-3 times the price.
We own a 2008 Trek T-1000, so far we've upgraded the front fork- we bought a new never installed carbon Bontrager tandem fork, the same one used on the T-2000 from a forum member thanks briwasson. The improvement in handling and turn in was substantial! I think this upgrade is well worth it.

We also got a second wheelset that we mounted lighter tires on for faster century rides. We got them on Ebay for less than $200. They were brand new take-offs from a new Cannondale. The idea was to have a heavy wheelset with drum brake mounted for hilly/mountain rides and the second lighter wheels/tires for faster flatter rides. So far we haven't used the heavy wheelset or drum brake at all. We haven't found the need for the drum brake even in the northern New England mountains.

When and if we ever have probelms with the components it's a simple upgrade to Ultegra or Dura-ace parts. So far the Tiagra parts on the tandem work as well as the Ultegra and Dura-Ace parts on our single bikes.
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Probably your best value route would be to find a used T2000, ride it enough to make sure all is well and then sell the T1000. Biggest difference in ride quality will be the carbon fork, which will likely be pricey and hard to find on it's own. Of course, while you are looking, it would be good to to test ride any other used tandems in your price range. I agree with others that a spare wheelset is very useful to have and a transferrable asset - but only if your new ride has the same rear axle spacing.
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Our '04 had thin stoker bars of the era that were hard on the stoker's hands. Perhaps the T-1000 used similar stoker bars. Upgrading to modern, fatter bars helped this, but also required a new stem. So that became a $200 upgrade, but added comfort.
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How about upgrading to 10 speed Campagnolo shifting. $70 for a Sram X9 rear derailleur, $160 for Veloce shifters, $90 for Shimano chain and cassette, plus cables, bar tape, and labor.
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We have a 2004 Trek T1000 and the only upgrade we have done to it is to buy a second set of wheels. We bought a set of Rolf Tandem wheels and wow can you feel the difference. We put on a set of 25c Conti tires and maxxis flyweight tubes. We saved two pounds over the stock wheels. As it is rotational you really feel the difference. I think race day/fast day wheels will be your biggest bang for the buck.
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We have a 2004 Trek T1000 and the only upgrade we have done to it is to buy a second set of wheels. We bought a set of Rolf Tandem wheels and wow can you feel the difference. We put on a set of 25c Conti tires and maxxis flyweight tubes. We saved two pounds over the stock wheels. As it is rotational you really feel the difference. I think race day/fast day wheels will be your biggest bang for the buck.
Having recently upgraded my cannondale road tandem I can also vouch for the Rolf upgrade......I put Michelin pro optimum tyres on with race tubes and it makes a big difference over the stock 40 spokers.
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Thanks for all the advice/suggestions. Now another question....................... A 2010 Cannondale R2 has become available to us for a good price.

My question is, would you consider this a upgrade over the Trek 1000 or just a lateral move?

It has better components and disc brakes but other than that not much difference. I am curious on which frame you expert/more exprienced tandemist think is better?

Another consideration is if I sell my T1000, the difference in the price is $800/900 dollars. Would I be better just spending money on a carbon fork or wheelset upgrade for the T1000 and keep what I have.

I do love the color of the Cannondale but have not ridden it and fit is the most important part, especially for my stoker who is only 4'11". I had read in another current thread that the Cannodale stock stoker stem was to short for most???? So there is another cost to fix right away.
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Suggest you ride the Dale if possible. I don't know how the tubes are formed on the Trek, but can tell you that every tube on the Dale has been formed to optimize strength and ride based on CAD design. My stoker is two inches taller than yours, but has had knee replacement surgery making it difficult to swing her leg over the frame. On the Dale you will note that the frame slopes down as it goes from head tube to seat stays--almost like Co Motion's Periscope models. This makes it a snap for my stoker to put her foot through the frame to mount the bike. The stock wheels on the Dale are stout and Gator Skins are stock which are great tires. White Industries hubs are in the top drawer. Ultegra shifting and braking leave very little to be desired and the disk brakes work very well. The only problem we had with ours was the too-short stoker stem. Mel at Tandems East can take care of that problem. You are right that fit is the most important first step which is why you should have a long test ride. Personally I think the $900 is worth it.
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moonwalker....we have the T2000 that I already mentioned and a 2010 C'dale road tandem that we ride more. I would absolutely sell and spend the $800-$900 to get the C'dale instead of putting anywhere near that in upgrades for the Trek. The Trek T1000 is a good value in its price range... the C'dale is an absolute outstanding value in its.
For our 290 pound team they ride differently....we like them both for different reasons. The T2000 rolls faster on the flats and comes off the line better. The C'Dale is more stable overall and is killer coming down the steeps no matter how rough rough the road....really confidence inspiring.
The Trek has more lateral flex for us as I have an 'antsy' stoker that I feel more on the Trek than the C'dale. For us, neither is harsh riding, both are comfortable on century rides which we do regularly.
Go for the C'dale for the money you are talking.
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How about upgrading to 10 speed Campagnolo shifting. $70 for a Sram X9 rear derailleur, $160 for Veloce shifters, $90 for Shimano chain and cassette, plus cables, bar tape, and labor.
For the OP's benefit - The SRAM X9 would be the newer, Exact Actuation version. Not saying you should keep the Trek as I wouldn't know, but a +1 for that shifting setup. Have it on both our tandem and my single.
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I'm with Specbill...An almost new Connondale?! I would jump on it, as long as it fits. That, of course, is number one. This is precisely what I was talking about...you will get great value for your additional money. You could put hundreds of dollars into the trek and it will never be in the same league. The Trek is a nice bike for what it is, but the R2 is special! The frame has been perfected over many years and it has up to date, high quality components. If you are expecting to spend money and want some real improvements, it is a no brainer!!
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