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Old 05-23-12, 04:00 PM   #1
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No more Cannondales... for a while

We are finally ready to upgrade from our old tandem with its 7-speed freewheel and bar end shifters to a new bike. I've been perusing this forum, learning what I can about modern tandems so we can make a reasonable choice. We considered a newer used CoMotion Speedster but have so far not found a used one in our size. The Cannondale Road 2 Tandem seems to have pretty much everything we are looking for and we can buy it without stretching our budget too far so I visited my local bike shop, a Cannondale dealer. They called their Cannondale rep only to find out that Cannondale has run out, not only of the L/S that we want, but of all sizes. They assured us that Cannondale will be making another road tandem for the 2013 model year but the rep knows none of the specifics of the new bike, nor the MSRP. Cannondale is expected to release that information in late June. Hopefully the new bikes will be available by the end of the summer...

Sigh. We've been riding the old tandem happily (well not perfectly happily, my faithful stoker is looking forward to a top tube that is low enough to easily straddle and maybe a shock-absorbing seat post) for over 25 years but now I'm suddenly terribly impatient.
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You might check with some of the tandem speciality dealers on the East Coast (TandemsEast.com or bike123.com, aka, MtAiry), as they may have "stocked-up" earlier in the year and still be carrying inventory.
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They called their Cannondale rep only to find out that Cannondale has run out, not only of the L/S that we want, but of all sizes.
Goride Bicycles in Redwood City lists the Cannondale RT2 as a closeout on their webpage (and for an attractive price), however only in M/S. Might be worth it to give them a call. Some friends of ours, noobs to cycling, purchased a M/S RT2 from Goride a few months ago at that price.

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We tried to also order a new Cannondale RT2 m/s about a month ago from our local dealer. We were told the same thing, out of stock and no more 2012. Called around and found that Mel from Tandem East had some in stock. Three hour trip to New Jersey and we are now the proud owners of an RT2.

I wonder why Cannondale made so few for 2012?
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Thanks for the suggestions folks!

I have come across two stumbling blocks to purchasing a bike from the East Coast:
1. Shipping is around $500.
2. The agreement between the bike shops and Cannondale does not allow them to sell mail order. They can take my order on the phone but I have to pick up the bike at their shop.

I called GoRide a couple days ago after seeing their Craigslist ad: Unfortunately only M/S left.

I have also been combing the ads for a 2009 or newer used Road Tandem 2. Does anyone here know which year between 2009 and 2012 the geometry changed? As an example, according to a Cannondale Users Manual Supplement for 2009 the front top tube for the L/S was 22.0": For the X/S it was 22.6". I was not able to find an official Cannondale geometry chart for the newer bikes but according to a chart on the website of a Cannondale dealer those top tube lengths had changed to 22.1" and 23.8" respectively by 2012.

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Thanks for the suggestions folks!

I have come across two stumbling blocks to purchasing a bike from the East Coast:
1. Shipping is around $500.
2. The agreement between the bike shops and Cannondale does not allow them to sell mail order. They can take my order on the phone but I have to pick up the bike at their shop.

I called GoRide a couple days ago after seeing their Craigslist ad: Unfortunately only M/S left.

I have also been combing the ads for a 2009 or newer used Road Tandem 2. Does anyone here know which year between 2009 and 2012 the geometry changed? As an example, according to a Cannondale Users Manual Supplement for 2009 the front top tube for the L/S was 22.0": For the X/S it was 22.6". I was not able to find an official Cannondale geometry chart for the newer bikes but according to a chart on the website of a Cannondale dealer those top tube lengths had changed to 22.1" and 23.8" respectively by 2012.

Thanks again,
Brent
Inquire with your local Cannondale shop about consulting with a sales reps to see if there is a shop near you with the bike you desire. If not and you can't convince the long distance sale to happen, and some of the shipping is offset from no sales tax, I would suggest not settling for a lesser machine.

Another consideration, and I may be wrong about this, weren't the 2012 Cannondales USA made? The production now has shifted to China for tandems also. So it is possible that the USA made machine will hold a premium in obtaining both new and used.

Suffice to say, nothing with a Cannondale headtube badge made outside the USA has been inspiring for me. This includes aluminum and carbon.

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Thanks for the suggestions folks! I have come across two stumbling blocks to purchasing a bike from the East Coast:
Regular bike shops do not have a hot-clue what's going on in the tandem speciality market. I call B.S. on both; that's just not reflective of reality.

Before ruling it out, call or Email Mel at TandemsEast (tandemwiz@aol.com or 856-451-5104). If Mel doesn't have any in your size on hand, check with Larry Black at Mt. Airy (larry@bike123.com or 301-831-5151)

FWIW: A full-size boxed tandem can be shipped for under $100 via Greyhound and for not much more via freight within the CONUS: tandem speciality dealers do it all the time. Our friend Alex at MTBTandems.com probably sells as many of his off-road tandems to folks in Europe, Australia and South Africa combined as he does in the US these days and even then most of his US sales require shipping.
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Another consideration, and I may be wrong about this, weren't the 2012 Cannondales USA made? The production now has shifted to China for tandems also. So it is possible that the USA made machine will hold a premium in obtaining both new and used.
This 2009 report has all Cannondale frame production ending in the US.
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Hearing this makes me very happy to have recently purchased a 2012 Cannondale Road Tandem 2.

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I have a friend who works for cannondale, and I was told they made a large run of tandem frames in 2009 before shutting down USA production, and they have been selling off that inventory since. That may explain why they are all white for the last few years.

The geometry charts had a lot of errors. It last changed in 2009.
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I have a friend who works for cannondale, and I was told they made a large run of tandem frames in 2009 before shutting down USA production, and they have been selling off that inventory since. That may explain why they are all white for the last few years.

The geometry charts had a lot of errors. It last changed in 2009.
Makes a lot of sense. A few parts changed on each model year, but the frames were identical.
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Action Sports in Bakersfield Ca. had one on their floor a few days ago....if it works for you I'd make the drive in a heartbeat.
IMHO this RT 2 package is a super value that we will not see again....ever. I can't imagine C'Dale's next generation Tandem being this good of a package for the money..... even today, no one else can even match the current one...so going forward...how?? The closest thing to it was the Trek T2000 and its been gone for quite a while.
If you like the RT2, I would chase it real hard now while you can. Good luck.
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IMHO this RT 2 package is a super value that we will not see again....ever. I can't imagine C'Dale's next generation Tandem being this good of a package for the money..... even today, no one else can even match the current one...so going forward...how??
The CAAD 10 is still highly regarded, and a great value, though its been made in the Far East for several years. The manufactering was moved overseas so that it can be done more cheaply, which should tend to enhance rather than degrade the value C'dale can offer.

Here's a thought, what with the need to re-tool for a tandem frame in the Far East, maybe Cannondale has made up the molds, and will manufacture a tandem carbon frame. The cost would mainly be in the molds, the manufacturing cost thereafter per frame would be less than $1000. A sub 6 lb. carbon Cannondale tandem for the price of an aluminum Co-Mo. That'd shake things up in the tandem world.
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I work in a bike shop where we sell both Cannondale and Specialized. Unfortunately, many models from both brands are already sold out this year, but Cannondale actually has a bit more stock left than Speciliazed right now.

Unfortunately, the Cannondale tandem is no longer brought into Europe (at least not into mainland Europe, the UK may differ). So people here have one less tandem option than before.
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I work in a bike shop where we sell both Cannondale and Specialized. Unfortunately, many models from both brands are already sold out this year, but Cannondale actually has a bit more stock left than Speciliazed right now.

Unfortunately, the Cannondale tandem is no longer brought into Europe (at least not into mainland Europe, the UK may differ). So people here have one less tandem option than before.
I understand the frustration of going through a decision making process and then finding that the bike desired is not available. On the other hand it is good to hear that people are buying bikes faster than expected. Good for the bike industry and the economy as a whole.

When do the new 2012? models normally make it to the shops in the bike business?
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I have a friend who works for cannondale, and I was told they made a large run of tandem frames in 2009 before shutting down USA production, and they have been selling off that inventory since. That may explain why they are all white for the last few years.

The geometry charts had a lot of errors. It last changed in 2009.
Agree with this and my apologies to Ritterview for how I mentioned or stated the 2012's being current production of this year made in USA. Still made in USA, just not a current born on date.

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Regular bike shops do not have a hot-clue what's going on in the tandem speciality market. ...
Before ruling it out, call or Email Mel at TandemsEast (tandemwiz@aol.com or 856-451-5104). If Mel doesn't have any in your size on hand, check with Larry Black at Mt. Airy (larry@bike123.com or 301-831-5151)...
Right You Are

After reading your post yesterday morning I sent an email to Mel. He called me back yesterday afternoon. The long and the short of it is that there is a new Canondale RT2 headed our way! Shipping charge of $200.

Thank you all for your help.
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... The long and the short of it is that there is a new Canondale RT2 headed our way! ...
Sweet! Congrats.
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I understand the frustration of going through a decision making process and then finding that the bike desired is not available. On the other hand it is good to hear that people are buying bikes faster than expected. Good for the bike industry and the economy as a whole.

When do the new 2012? models normally make it to the shops in the bike business?
I'm not sure that the lack of availability of many 2012 bikes is really a reflection of sales being strong, because although sales are steady, it is not great. We believe it is more caused by an ultra-conservative approach taken by the manufacturers, who did not produce many bikes this year; the moderate demand is therefore outstripping their miniscule expectations.

Most 2013 bikes will be officially announced/unveiled in August and September at the big trade shows and other special events. Some of those bikes might then start shipping to stores in October, although other models might be significantly delayed, maybe until as late as the next Spring.

We did actually receive our first 2013 bikes this week! However, they were just Specialized's kids bikes, so nothing too exciting. They had already sold out of most of the stock of 2012 kids bikes by late March, and we've missed a few certain sales due to not having the bikes available. You would think that kids bikes are something that are pretty risk-free to produce an excess of, because the parents aren't too bothered whether they are buying one of the current model year or the previous model year - it's only the colour that changes on those anyway. But for some reason, Specialized built an amazingly small number of kids bike for 2012.
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After reading your post yesterday morning I sent an email to Mel. He called me back yesterday afternoon. The long and the short of it is that there is a new Canondale RT2 headed our way! Shipping charge of $200.

Thank you all for your help.
Brent
Good job Tandemgeek ! This forum is just full of good info and help.! Congratulations Brent on a great new tandem, friends we ride with weekly have had their Cannondale Road2 about a year now and love it.
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FWIW, I just ordered a 2012 Cannondale R2 from Mel at Tandems East http://www.tandemseast.com/frames/cannondale.html#R2

Can't wait for it to arrive!! From what Mel told me, he's got a number of these models remaining. And from what I understand, the 2012 model is the last year this bike was made in the USA.
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We are finally ready to upgrade from our old tandem with its 7-speed freewheel and bar end shifters to a new bike. I've been perusing this forum, learning what I can about modern tandems so we can make a reasonable choice. We considered a newer used CoMotion Speedster but have so far not found a used one in our size. The Cannondale Road 2 Tandem seems to have pretty much everything we are looking for and we can buy it without stretching our budget too far so I visited my local bike shop, a Cannondale dealer. They called their Cannondale rep only to find out that Cannondale has run out, not only of the L/S that we want, but of all sizes. They assured us that Cannondale will be making another road tandem for the 2013 model year but the rep knows none of the specifics of the new bike, nor the MSRP. Cannondale is expected to release that information in late June. Hopefully the new bikes will be available by the end of the summer...

Sigh. We've been riding the old tandem happily (well not perfectly happily, my faithful stoker is looking forward to a top tube that is low enough to easily straddle and maybe a shock-absorbing seat post) for over 25 years but now I'm suddenly terribly impatient.
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