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nurse ben 12-23-13 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_W (Post 16333509)
Personally, knowing about this issue and that TRP are not doing anything about it, I wouldn't recommend the carbon-armed version to anyone, regardless of their weight.

You missed the memo, TRP is recalling all brakes, carbon and aluminum arms, they will have replacements in a month or so.

I still have not had a single problem with the Spyre on my tandem nor on my unis, great brakes overall.

I am suprrised that TRP decided to redesign all of the Spyre brakes after a single carbon arm brake failure, that demonstrates a very progressive attitude and suggests a strong commitment to the consumer.

Good vibes to TRP/TEktro!

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TRP is Tektro, and my experience with Tektro, though not with every product they make has always led me to consider them second tier.
Tektro is second tier, TRP is first tier. You'll find the same sort of thing when you buy a car, same make, high and low level products.

twocicle 12-23-13 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nurse ben (Post 16353100)
You missed the memo, TRP is recalling all brakes, carbon and aluminum arms, they will have replacements in a month or so.

I still have not had a single problem with the Spyre on my tandem nor on my unis, great brakes overall.

I am suprrised that TRP decided to redesign all of the Spyre brakes after a single carbon arm brake failure, that demonstrates a very progressive attitude and suggests a strong commitment to the consumer.

Good vibes to TRP/TEktro!

Tektro is second tier, TRP is first tier. You'll find the same sort of thing when you buy a car, same make, high and low level products.

FYI, the published recall has nothing to do with the one carbon arm failure reported in this thread and TRP has not acknowledged there is a design problem with that version (a few of us have discussed this directly with TRP tech support). We can only hope that TRP would take the opportunity to mod the carbon arm, but there is no word on that actually being considered.

nurse ben 12-23-13 12:26 PM

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FYI, the published recall has nothing to do with the one carbon arm failure reported in this thread and TRP has not acknowledged there is a design problem with that version (a few of us have discussed this directly with TRP tech support). We can only hope that TRP would take the opportunity to mod the carbon arm, but there is no word on that actually being considered.
I have also talked with the guys at TRP, both in person at the Ogden werehouse and by phone. I having been using these brakes for as long or longer than anyone on this forum, so I am quite familiar with them.

The guy who ran the carbon arm SL Spyre was "living on the edge", not only was he using a product not tandem rated, he was using a lighter weight version of a brake that was untested. His failure has more to do with decision making than the product design. He has even admitted that much. Don't bag on a mfg because their product failed due to the users poor judgement, it is bad form and it harms the mfg.

TRP will not say there is a design problem when the failure was due the product being used way outside it's design envelope. If you go on the cyclocross forum you will not find another failure. It may be that the Spyre SL brake is perfectly fine on a normal cyclosross race bike, in which case there is not a design failure. You can't demand an mfg create a product to suit your needs, tandem riders are a minority, so we take what we can get and we pass off the failures as lessons learned.

Brakes are not a place to play around, a failure can be life threatening.

twocicle 12-23-13 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nurse ben (Post 16353726)
I have also talked with the guys at TRP, both in person at the Ogden werehouse and by phone. I having been using these brakes for as long or longer than anyone on this forum, so I am quite familiar with them.

The guy who ran the carbon arm SL Spyre was "living on the edge", not only was he using a product not tandem rated, he was using a lighter weight version of a brake that was untested. His failure has more to do with decision making than the product design. He has even admitted that much. Don't bag on a mfg because their product failed due to the users poor judgement, it is bad form and it harms the mfg.

TRP will not say there is a design problem when the failure was due the product being used way outside it's design envelope. If you go on the cyclocross forum you will not find another failure. It may be that the Spyre SL brake is perfectly fine on a normal cyclosross race bike, in which case there is not a design failure. You can't demand an mfg create a product to suit your needs, tandem riders are a minority, so we take what we can get and we pass off the failures as lessons learned.

Brakes are not a place to play around, a failure can be life threatening.

No bagging of TRP, just stating the facts. My response intended to point out a correction needed* to your comment:

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Originally Posted by nurse ben (Post 16353726)
I am suprrised that TRP decided to redesign all of the Spyre brakes after a single carbon arm brake failure,

* TRP has never mentioned redesigning anything concerning the carbon arm failure.

I also stand behind my earlier comment in this thread, that blaming the SLC arm failure on "tandem usage" is IMO a complete cop-out. There are 3 components in play here, brake lever, cable, caliper. Tandem does not come into the equation other than to suggest heavier load usage. Most likely the same failure could be reproduced on any single bike ridden by a clydesdale.

On a brighter note, I just received notice that my replacement Spyre (AL) has been shipped from TRP, much sooner than expected :thumb:

Turbotandem 12-23-13 02:57 PM

TRP notified me today that the replacement TRP Syre is being shipped to me. I'd returned the brake on recall a week or two ago. So the revised ball bearing and ramps are done. Sweet!

fietsbob 12-23-13 05:20 PM

I gathered the issue came up when the pad wear was about done, so pick up a spare set of brake pads ..

<guess> The aftermarket pads may be longer wearing than what they ship with the Brake.

Ritterview 12-24-13 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by twocicle (Post 16353781)
* TRP has never mentioned redesigning anything concerning the carbon arm failure.

I wonder if those returning the carbon-armed Spyre SLC on recall are going to get Spyre SLC's back, or whether this one recall will just happen to provide cover for the discontinuation of the SLC Spyre.

Info on the TRP FB

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Originally Posted by TRP
It is easy to ID the NEW version....Simply look for laser etching on the pad adjust bolt! If your brake doesn't have the etching, give us a call to replace it...

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SPYRE UPDATE: We have the first round of replacement Spyre's in stock and ready to ship! Give us a call to make arrangements to get you on the latest version!
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...42679071_n.jpg

Edit:

It is nice that the pad adjustment is now a hex wrench rather than torx. Smaller multitools such as the Lezyne V5 will have hex but not torx. It was no fun looking down at a 10% grade on Page Mill, finding my now worn pads needed to be adjusted, but that I did not have a torx wrench. Luckily a guy climbing did have a torx wrench. Whew!
http://www.evanscycles.com/product_i...multi-tool.jpg

fietsbob 12-25-13 12:13 PM

There are Torx folding sets , no bigger (fwiw).. + torx wont round out..
Eklund ,, sold At the auto parts store [it's NAPA affiliated , here].

though a non Early adopter, which seemed prudent with this product.

Now.. , I might try the Spyres..

Werkin 12-25-13 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ritterview (Post 16357478)
...It is nice that the pad adjustment is now a hex wrench rather than torx...

The original pad adjustment screw was also a 3mm hex, it was located within the center of the outboard arm's torx fastener.

rahill 12-26-13 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Werkin (Post 16359090)
The original pad adjustment screw was also a 3mm hex, it was located within the center of the outboard arm's torx fastener.

The cable clamp on the SLC is/was a torx while on the standard Spyre that bolt is/was a standard hex bolt. I believe the pad adjust screw, hidden inside the larger torx fastener, was a 3mm hex on both versions.

twocicle 12-27-13 09:53 AM

I received the replacement Spyre as shown on the right photo in post no.282 above, with new pads installed. TRP also included a free brake cable wire & a length of very stiff "Disc Connect" casing, plus a short piece of flex casing for use at the levers-handlebar-bend location if desired.

Quick review: Other than the 3mm adjustment screws, visually the caliper looks the same (from memory). The caliper arm / spring actuation also feels the same. No chance to go ride with it for awhile, so no road test info to share.

Werkin 01-22-14 08:21 PM

FYI, there have been a few changes since the early version of the Hy/Rd caliper. For 2014 a set-screw has been added to the plunger rod to discourage user manipulation, reservoir volume has increased via extra depth, the gasket/diaphragm is different, and steel rings surround the pistons. The steel rings allow the pistons to glide smoothly in their bores, lever feel is very slick.

LastKraftWagen 02-24-14 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Werkin (Post 16433248)
FYI, there have been a few changes since the early version of the Hy/Rd caliper. For 2014 a set-screw has been added to the plunger rod to discourage user manipulation, reservoir volume has increased via extra depth, the gasket/diaphragm is different, and steel rings surround the pistons. The steel rings allow the pistons to glide smoothly in their bores, lever feel is very slick.

Wondering if the revisions address the complaints about the "weak" spring that effected pad adjustment.

LKW

dwmckee 03-06-14 09:58 PM

I wish they would recall my original Hy/Rd calipers. They were great new but never adjusted for wear and there is no manual option to adjust. Really an expensive bummer...

akexpress 03-07-14 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dwmckee (Post 16556081)
I wish they would recall my original Hy/Rd calipers. They were great new but never adjusted for wear and there is no manual option to adjust. Really an expensive bummer...

My opinion also as I don't think the new gasket is going to change self adjusting for pad wear

Werkin 03-07-14 10:29 AM

Make sure the lock-out screw can be screwed down, pad gap can not self-adjust if the piston cylinder can not refill. This top-off procedure is helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0i4aQ8S34w

PMK 03-08-14 06:00 AM

This is now a very long topic. From excitement to concern about the recall to back on track. Where has it settled.

Is the TRP caliper "the one". Have the other brands and models held their own? Not that we need a brake upgrade, but...

PK

fietsbob 03-14-14 09:41 AM

Seems that TRP has introduced a longer pull V-Mountain Lever pull version.. at Taipei trade show..

Gallery: Taiwanese companies flex their component manufacturing muscle Review - BikeRadar

gracehowler 03-14-14 10:12 AM

Ah!, Something new to watch, we are surely waiting on what really works BETTER!
R&J

twocicle 03-14-14 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PMK (Post 16559553)
This is now a very long topic. From excitement to concern about the recall to back on track. Where has it settled.

Is the TRP caliper "the one". Have the other brands and models held their own? Not that we need a brake upgrade, but...

PK

This thread has been repeatedly highjacked for Hy/Rd discussion (now has it's own thread), so quite messy.

My impression of the Spyre (v2) with stock pads and Shimano ICE 203mm rotor is that it has a more vague lever feel than the Avid BB7 with stock pads, and not as much grab on the rotor. With the Avid I could just about lock up the rear if I wanted, but the Spyre is still exhibiting the performance of a wet rim brake IMO. I had cleaned the rotor before install and wiped it down again, but no gain.

Caliper arm spring seems adequate, about on par with the BB7... just enough to uptake cable slack and still have immediate actuation response with the slightest of lever (brifter) movement.

LastKraftWagen 03-14-14 03:13 PM

Just read on roadbikerider.com a notice for a Spyre recall...Anyone know if this the same recall as before (and RBR is just late in announcing), or have the calipers been recalled again?

rahill 03-14-14 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LastKraftWagen (Post 16578216)
Just read on roadbikerider.com a notice for a Spyre recall...Anyone know if this the same recall as before (and RBR is just late in announcing), or have the calipers been recalled again?

That looks like the original recall. The replacements have been available since the beginning of the year.

DKMcK 03-14-14 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by twocicle (Post 16577834)
This thread has been repeatedly highjacked for Hy/Rd discussion (now has it's own thread), so quite messy.

My impression of the Spyre (v2) with stock pads and Shimano ICE 203mm rotor is that it has a more vague lever feel than the Avid BB7 with stock pads, and not as much grab on the rotor. With the Avid I could just about lock up the rear if I wanted, but the Spyre is still exhibiting the performance of a wet rim brake IMO. I had cleaned the rotor before install and wiped it down again, but no gain.

Caliper arm spring seems adequate, about on par with the BB7... just enough to uptake cable slack and still have immediate actuation response with the slightest of lever (brifter) movement.

Interesting enough, my experience has been quite the opposite. I have the Spyre(v2) with Icetech 203 rotor and have found its braking is much stronger than the Avid. However, neither will lock the wheel. The new Spyre did come with cable housing and cables that I used. These may have less compression than the Jagwire housing I had. I was not happy at all with the braking with the Avids.

twocicle 03-14-14 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DKMcK (Post 16578326)
Interesting enough, my experience has been quite the opposite. I have the Spyre(v2) with Icetech 203 rotor and have found its braking is much stronger than the Avid. However, neither will lock the wheel. The new Spyre did come with cable housing and cables that I used. These may have less compression than the Jagwire housing I had. I was not happy at all with the braking with the Avids.

I also used the TRP casing + that really good Superslick Jagwire brake wire for the rear segment. Di2 casing & wire for the front (I typically did use Jagwire "Racer" casing and Superslick, so that has changed with this latest install). Oh, another change... using 6770 Di2 brake levers instead of 6703 brifter levers... maybe a change in pull ratio.

There is plenty of power transfer (cable tension) through to the caliper, just not as much grab as I was used to with the Avid. I'm fairly certain it's the pads (received installed with the recall/replacement). I haven't removed the pads to clean them or sand.

DKMcK 04-05-14 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DKMcK (Post 16578326)
Interesting enough, my experience has been quite the opposite. I have the Spyre(v2) with Icetech 203 rotor and have found its braking is much stronger than the Avid. However, neither will lock the wheel. The new Spyre did come with cable housing and cables that I used. These may have less compression than the Jagwire housing I had. I was not happy at all with the braking with the Avids.

It seems I was impatient in waiting for the pads to conform to the rotor. After a few more rides, my braking is excellent now and will definitely lock the back wheel.


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