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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    Art, I thought we found 6 spoke locations on each wheel failing, mostly in paired sets (side by side), with cracks propagating in two directions from each hole. I beleive maybe one had just begun at about 1mm in length and from one side of the spoke hole only.

    Glad you, and the others enjoyed seeing the process in action. Even found the cracks hidden by decals.

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    Well, after some emaill to-ing and froing with Rafe during which I expressed my dissatifaction with the durability and also talking to the LBS where I bought our Macchiato, I decided to have the wheels repaired: $100 each rim and $60 each for labor. Shipping was about $45 with insurance. I don't think the repair cost is excessive, so it's more a matter of principle that I have to pay after so few miles on them.
    The LBS and Rafe told me they are no longer making the tandem wheels and have sold the technology to Easton. Topo will now concenrate on wheelchair wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
    Well, after some emaill to-ing and froing with Rafe during which I expressed my dissatifaction with the durability and also talking to the LBS where I bought our Macchiato, I decided to have the wheels repaired: $100 each rim and $60 each for labor. Shipping was about $45 with insurance. I don't think the repair cost is excessive, so it's more a matter of principle that I have to pay after so few miles on them.
    The LBS and Rafe told me they are no longer making the tandem wheels and have sold the technology to Easton. Topo will now concenrate on wheelchair wheels!

    According to Rafe, 5-7,000 miles is considered to be good life for the rims. I may have him rebuild my rear wheel and use it strictly for backup.

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    5-7,000 life due to cracking? I could see that if you wear through the brake track braking in the Pacific NW but if that means just due to loading of the wheel in riding of a 300 lb team then it appears that they are not designed for the load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DubT View Post
    According to Rafe, 5-7,000 miles is considered to be good life for the rims. I may have him rebuild my rear wheel and use it strictly for backup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynesulak View Post
    5-7,000 life due to cracking? I could see that if you wear through the brake track braking in the Pacific NW but if that means just due to loading of the wheel in riding of a 300 lb team then it appears that they are not designed for the load.
    I agree 100%.....why repair a wheel that you know is going to fail, even tho it's maybe a cheap repair!!! Me I'd take my money and buy a better built & designed wheelset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynesulak View Post
    5-7,000 life due to cracking? I could see that if you wear through the brake track braking in the Pacific NW but if that means just due to loading of the wheel in riding of a 300 lb team then it appears that they are not designed for the load.
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    In similar fashion to the recent Lightning Crank Spider failure. This stuff is sort of purpose built. The end user needs to understand the possible durability concerns compared against the performance gains.

    Lighter is not always best if durability is required. Peak performance is not always best if you don't finish. Like riding, it requires balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tookool View Post
    I agree 100%.....why repair a wheel that you know is going to fail, even tho it's maybe a cheap repair!!! Me I'd take my money and buy a better built & designed wheelset.
    Well, I might sell them to a lighter team, which might go some way towards paying for another wheelset!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
    Well, I might sell them to a lighter team, which might go some way towards paying for another wheelset!
    or reserve them for special rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DubT View Post
    or reserve them for special rides.
    That's probably what I'll do, Dub. They really are a nice ride, although expensive per mile!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
    That's probably what I'll do, Dub. They really are a nice ride, although expensive per mile!
    if they will last 5-7,000 miles that is several special events. I have a new 43 mm deep rim Spinergy rear wheel on order. They should be available soon. After I receive it I am going to send my Topolino in and have it rebuilt and use it as a backup.

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    Well, I got them back after about 3 weeks and I'm about $500 poorer after adding shipping cost. Rafe replaced the rims and he told me he adjusted the spoke tension individually. They also overhauled the hubs.

    Today, we were about 180 miles into a week-long Quebec tour, and the first 180 miles of use, when "ping," a front spoke broke at the rim. Fortunately the wheel only went slightly out of true such that I did not have to adjust the brake clearance by much.

    I contacted Rafe, who told me to call him when I get home.....................

    From bad to worse, indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
    Well, I got them back after about 3 weeks and I'm about $500 poorer after adding shipping cost. Rafe replaced the rims and he told me he adjusted the spoke tension individually. They also overhauled the hubs.

    Today, we were about 180 miles into a week-long Quebec tour, and the first 180 miles of use, when "ping," a front spoke broke at the rim. Fortunately the wheel only went slightly out of true such that I did not have to adjust the brake clearance by much.

    I contacted Rafe, who told me to call him when I get home.....................

    From bad to worse, indeed!

    if you have any interest in a set of lightly used Spinergy wheels let me know.

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    If those are the disc brake compatible TX2's (145mm), I would be interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstyer View Post
    If those are the disc brake compatible TX2's (145mm), I would be interested.
    The rear is disc compatible and 145, the front is not disc compatible. They are the TX2's the rear is nearly new and has the titanium cassette body.

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    Darn. I'm building up a Cannondale RT2 frame and the plan is dual disc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
    Well, I got them back after about 3 weeks and I'm about $500 poorer after adding shipping cost. Rafe replaced the rims and he told me he adjusted the spoke tension individually. They also overhauled the hubs.

    Today, we were about 180 miles into a week-long Quebec tour, and the first 180 miles of use, when "ping," a front spoke broke at the rim. Fortunately the wheel only went slightly out of true such that I did not have to adjust the brake clearance by much.

    I contacted Rafe, who told me to call him when I get home.....................

    From bad to worse, indeed!
    Not sure what to say beyond hope he works it out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstyer View Post
    Darn. I'm building up a Cannondale RT2 frame and the plan is dual disc.
    Buy DubT's wheels + enve 2.0 fork and rim brake for the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
    Buy DubT's wheels + enve 2.0 fork and rim brake for the front.
    Doffing a Cannondale Fatty and donning an ENVE 2.0 fork is reason enough for the switch.

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    DubT, what is your asking price for the Spinergy wheels? You can email me directly at morgan dot styer at gmail dot com. Sorry I haven't been on here long enough to be able to PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstyer View Post
    DubT, what is your asking price for the Spinergy wheels? You can email me directly at morgan dot styer at gmail dot com. Sorry I haven't been on here long enough to be able to PM.
    Wheels have been sold.

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