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    If hotfoot's a problem. Never been a problem with our Dominators. Mine are ~14 years old, still almost perfect after maybe 60,000 miles. Maybe if we were much, much stronger . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2frmMI View Post
    We're in the midst of a new build and contemplating new pedals. We currently use Shimaon PDA-520s; moderately light, moderately priced pedals that work with shoes we can walk in on tours (I wear Keen bike sandals ca. 50% of the time, Sidi dominator or Specialized the rest; She wears Diadoro or Exustar). Really don't want to go to road pedals with SPD SL or other slip-sliding option. Are there some lightweight options to consider?
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    And costs $350/pr. And for that price it doesn't even pedal the bike on its own! Lower down the scale of Candy pedals, the weight goes up quickly, and doesn't really provide advantage over the Shimano A520 or A600.
    In the OP you already have moderately priced pedals and you'd like lighter weight options. You should have explained in the OP that you want pedals that are lighter, better, but not any more expensive.

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    We both use Bebop pedals. They require regular maintenance and lubrication but they are light, double sided and reasonable. We bought the ones with Chrome moly spindles and then I ordered titanium spindles off of eBay. They weigh 150 grams per pair with the titanium spindles.

    http://www.beboppedals.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2frmMI View Post
    Anybody tried these Ritchey Pro Paradigm pedals? At 255 g/pr they are lighter even though double sided.
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    My wife uses them on her mtn. bike. They work well. Only issue is that the tension adjusting bolt/screw has vibrated out and gotten lost on one side of the right pedal. This happened with a previous set of Ritchey pedals. From now on I'll be putting a bit of blue Locktite on the screw/bolt to help retain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DubT View Post
    We both use Bebop pedals. They require regular maintenance and lubrication but they are light, double sided and reasonable. We bought the ones with Chrome moly spindles and then I ordered titanium spindles off of eBay. They weigh 150 grams per pair with the titanium spindles.

    http://www.beboppedals.com/
    Those look like a great option. Quick search did not turn up online vendors. Where did you get yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2frmMI View Post
    Those look like a great option. Quick search did not turn up online vendors. Where did you get yours?
    Cambria Bike.

    http://www.cambriabike.com/shopdispl...d=Bebop+pedals

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Spi...item4aaeefe00d

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    If hotfoot's a problem. Never been a problem with our Dominators.
    Good point, it important to think of a pedal-shoe "system".

    A stiff-soled shoe can compensate for a small platform pedal or a large platform can compensate for flexible sole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diabloridr View Post
    Good point, it important to think of a pedal-shoe "system".

    A stiff-soled shoe can compensate for a small platform pedal or a large platform can compensate for flexible sole.
    Sounds like I need to shoe shop for my stoker!
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    DubT: How walkable are the cleats? We wear mountain shoes for walkability, with recessed cleats. I can't tell from the Bebop pictures weather these cleats will extend beyond the typical recess and make walking hard.

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    PDA 600 work super well for us. Adjusted the springs for my Lightweight stoker to the lightest position and she has no problem clipping in or out. They are light and look more like road pedals on the road bike rather than MTB pedals.

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    I like the way that the float works on the be-bop pedals. I went back to flat pedals a few years ago on my singles because the so called "float" on SPD and others doesn't really work, the spring is always trying to return you to center, and I found it makes my knees hurt. Going back to plain flat pedals was a big improvement, plus it solved all my hotfoot problems.

    However if the be-bop pedals aren't always trying to return you to center via spring, that would be more interesting to me. I was going to get these large platforms for the tandem with toeclips: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...ot-pedals.html but maybe try the be-bops instead. Hmm interesting.

    Thanks for pointing those out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2frmMI View Post
    DubT: How walkable are the cleats? We wear mountain shoes for walkability, with recessed cleats. I can't tell from the Bebop pictures weather these cleats will extend beyond the typical recess and make walking hard.
    My wife uses Shimano mountain bike pedals and I asked her today during our ride while we were stopped for a break, if she had any issues walking in them and she said no. The cleat does extend below the lugs by about 1mm but it is not an issue for her. I wear SHimano road shoes and can walk with not problem in the cleats. We had to walk a couple of miles the other day and we neither one had an issue with the cleats.

    As i mentioned they do require period maintenance. I exercise the clips after nearly ride and also apply a dry lube to them after every ride. If you do that they perform very well and have a tremendous amount of float.

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    Another vote for Bebops. To me they are like a smaller more durable version of Speedplay pedals made with steel instead of plastic.

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    We've always used SPD pedals on all our bikes so that we can walk normally and safely when off of the bike (carrying the tandem up and down stairs at train stations, walking around restaurants, etc.). I had some hot-foot problems on longer rides several years ago, but then switched to shoes with a stiffer sole and have never had any issue with that since then.

    We've got lots of pairs of A520s and a couple of pairs of A600s. Function is pretty much the same, it's just a matter of whether the weight versus price trade-off is OK for you.

    I've also heard that although the Ritcheys are a bit lighter, the bearings definitely don't last as long as Shimano's, so haven't tried them myself.

    On the tandem, we have A520s on the rear because the stoker stays clipped in at most stops and double-sided SPD pedals on the front (I think they are XTs, probably M780) so that the captain can click in immediately without needing to worry about pedal orientation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DubT View Post
    We both use Bebop pedals. They require regular maintenance and lubrication but they are light, double sided and reasonable. We bought the ones with Chrome moly spindles and then I ordered titanium spindles off of eBay. They weigh 150 grams per pair with the titanium spindles.

    http://www.beboppedals.com/



    Quote Originally Posted by DubT View Post
    My wife uses Shimano mountain bike pedals and I asked her today during our ride while we were stopped for a break, if she had any issues walking in them and she said no. The cleat does extend below the lugs by about 1mm but it is not an issue for her. I wear SHimano road shoes and can walk with not problem in the cleats. We had to walk a couple of miles the other day and we neither one had an issue with the cleats.

    As i mentioned they do require period maintenance. I exercise the clips after nearly ride and also apply a dry lube to them after every ride. If you do that they perform very well and have a tremendous amount of float.

    Wayne
    Ok I am confused here. From prior threads I understand that your stoker is your wife so are we talking about your other wife?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynesulak View Post
    Ok I am confused here. From prior threads I understand that your stoker is your wife so are we talking about your other wife?
    I interpreted "My wife uses shimano mountain bike PEDALS" to have been a typo, and that DubT meant "...Shimano mountain bike SHOES".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_W View Post
    We've always used SPD pedals on all our bikes so that we can walk normally and safely when off of the bike ...
    Our first upgrade on our original Trek T-100 was the move to XTR PDM-747 double sided. These served us extremely well and moved to the Erickson when we upgraded the bike. But every time we packed for travel, the weight of those darned pedals was striking. The move to the A520s was kind of a no-brainer since the cleats were the same but pedals significantly lighter. I only miss the second side a little. For the local club rides around home we often wear road shoes with SPD cleats, but when touring or even longer dayrides, we'll wear mountain biking shoes or my current favorites - Keen sandals for exactly the same reason you quote: "(carrying the tandem up and down stairs at train stations, walking around restaurants, etc.)"

    I don't find the A520 durability too great. I have repacked them with grease a few times to buy some
    longevity, but I think once they start clicking/squeaking, they're toast. Local shop would not rebuild. I'll guess that the A600s are identical internally, and not an upgrade mechanically, though I'd be happy to be corrected.

    I think what I may do is buy a pair of the Bebops as recommended by DubT and others, and give them a try. If I like them maybe upgrade with the Ti spindles. Sounds like the cleats may protrude from the recess, however, which I will not like for walking off the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2frmMI View Post
    Our first upgrade on our original Trek T-100 was the move to XTR PDM-747 double sided. These served us extremely well and moved to the Erickson when we upgraded the bike. But every time we packed for travel, the weight of those darned pedals was striking. The move to the A520s was kind of a no-brainer since the cleats were the same but pedals significantly lighter. I only miss the second side a little. For the local club rides around home we often wear road shoes with SPD cleats, but when touring or even longer dayrides, we'll wear mounin biking shoes or my current favorites - Keen sandals for exactly the same reason you quote: "(carrying the tandem up and down stairs at train stations, walking around restaurants, etc.)"

    I don't find the A520 durability too great. I have repacked them with grease a few times to buy some
    longevity, but I think once they start clicking/squeaking, they're toast. Local shop would not rebuild. I'll guess that the A600s are identical internally, and not an upgrade mechanically, though I'd be happy to be corrected.

    I think what I may do is buy a pair of the Bebops as recommended by DubT and others, and give them a try. If I like them maybe upgrade with the Ti spindles. Sounds like the cleats may protrude from the recess, however, which I will not like for walking off the bike.
    The protrusion is very slight, less than a millimeter. I do not think you will notice it.

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    If you want to stick with low cost double sided SPDs that aren't the bottom of the barrel, Performance Bike has the Shimano PD-M540 on sale for about $60. They're about 20g heavier (0.7oz) than the PD-A520 but they are double sided. Definitely nicer than the PD-M520, and about 70g lighter too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2frmMI View Post
    I don't find the A520 durability too great. I have repacked them with grease a few times to buy some longevity, but I think once they start clicking/squeaking, they're toast. Local shop would not rebuild. I'll guess that the A600s are identical internally, and not an upgrade mechanically, though I'd be happy to be corrected.
    We probably have 20,000 km on some of our A520s without any issues (I haven't even re-greased them yet), so I'd rate their durability as good. With Shimano's hubs, normally their higher-end models get a harder surface treatment on the bearing cups for more longevity - this may also be true for their pedals, but I haven't heard anything specific about it.

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