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Old 09-01-09, 10:05 PM   #1
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North Dallas (Plano) why no BIG YELLOW signs???

I moved from Plano to San Antonio, first thing I noticed is huge yellow signs on some of the roads down here "watch for bikes and share the road". Why no huge yellow signs in Plano? I sent a note to Bikein Mike and the PBA but didn't get anything substantial back.. As I commuter, one thing I noticed is down here on these roads with yellow sign, no one has flipped me off, no car buzzing and only one honker.

But in Plano during my 6pm commute from Dallas to Allen up custer road, I had some rough experiences, many honks, fingers and a lot of windows rolled down.. and my favorite.. I got spat on. I understand folks get testy @ last mile home, but I don't think they understand a bicycle is vehicle and I have just as much right to be on the road as they do.. no matter if it's a week day @ 6pm or the weekend morning.. I think huge yellow signs would drive this point home, seems to work fine here in San Antonio..

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Old 09-01-09, 10:20 PM   #2
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City Hall would be one place to contact.

I rode the HH100 route this weekend, and they have bike signs all around there. It's possible the signs you're seeing have some special reason for being there, other than just occasional riders straggling by.
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Old 09-02-09, 02:11 AM   #3
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I currently live in Plano. Rush hour traffic is pretty rough, I avoid it at all cost. And while I'm all for anything that would help raise bicycle awareness, it's gonna take more than some big yellow signs.
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This problem goes far beyond Plano. Many of the cities in North Texas are blind to cyclist. Some have supported it and encouraged it, but sadly, cycling is not on the minds of the majority of citizens or city council.

I would love to commute to work, from Saginaw to Grapevine, but there are no bike friendly roads that support this. I am sure I could take back streets and neighborhoods all the way there, but that would take forever.
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But in Plano during my 6pm commute from Dallas to Allen up Custer Road...
I've lived just off Custer for long enough to watch it go from a two lane road that served farmers to a six lane road that serves the bedroom communities of Allen, Frisco and McKinney, and you certainly made an interesting choice for a cycling route. There's perhaps a greater volume of high speed motor vehicle traffic on that thoroughfare at that time in that direction than any other street in town.

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Old 09-02-09, 06:24 AM   #6
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Frisco has about 300 of the "Share the Road signs' and to be honest I do think it helps
raise automotive awareness.
The sign campaign began with the local club contacting the Planning and Zoning Department with a plan for the signs, then on to the City Council where it was passed. With the adoption of that plan, the Parks and Recreation Department started the installation of the signs.
I think its going to be up to PBA and other Plano groups to get this started.
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Old 09-02-09, 07:29 AM   #7
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I just made the same relo - from Plano to just outside San Antonio. Not a commuter, but rode frequently in Plano and now in the Boerne/Bulverde area. I first must agree with the up post regarding choosing Custer. Wow! That was the WORST road - always a lot of construction traffic, not to mention commuter traffic...more than one fatality wreck involving cars.... I would have chosen any other route - even Independence was better, IMO. But as to attitudes - I was only yelled at once, in Allen - where they do have signs. She told me to get on the sidewalk. I didn't get a lot of honks, etc, but then again I avoided most major streets, and most especially Custer.

Here, it is nice country riding - but I avoid feeder roads and major streets. I have noticed people are apt to take extra precautions - passing in the whole other lane, for instance, seems much more common here.

Whether the singnage makes a difference - I dunno. I guess it does raise awareness.
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Old 09-03-09, 12:44 PM   #8
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A lot of the local bicycle commuters use http://www.dorba2.com/forum/52 for discussion.
I respect your right to ride on any road. Still you can probably get some good route suggestions on the above forum.

Btw, along with those new share the road signs in Frisco there are several bike route signs. Anyone know of a map of the Frisco bike routes?
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FWIW, Houston has the same diamond-shaped yellow signs with the bike emblem, but the sign below it states "Share the Road" instead of what the pic shows. These are placed on designated bike routes, where there is no painted bike lane, and bicyclists are expected to be in the mix with vehicles. It is important to remember these are local signs, not TXDOT-placed signs, so the key is for local bicycle groups to work with their local political entities on what is appropriate for a local area.
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Richardson recently painted some bike lanes on Custer and Grove, and are planning to put up signs on roads like Renner. Progress is slow, but people are working on it. Get active in the PBA, or DFWbikes...
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Richardson recently painted some bike lanes on Custer and Grove, and are planning to put up signs on roads like Renner. Progress is slow, but people are working on it. Get active in the PBA, or DFWbikes...
I ride Renner a lot. OK, I ride Renner a lot when I can ride I have never had a problem on that road. That being said, putting what might be bike lanes on Custer almost seems like reducing the area the cagers have to search to acquire a target I much prefer Independence.
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Old 09-03-09, 10:58 PM   #12
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Richardson recently painted some bike lanes on Custer and Grove, and are planning to put up signs on roads like Renner. Progress is slow, but people are working on it. Get active in the PBA, or DFWbikes...
The bike lanes were painted more for traffic calming in the residential area, a creative alternative to speed bumps. Too many cars were speeding through causing dangerous situations. By squeezing down the roadway, they are trying to get drivers to try another route. (At least on that section of Custer)

I've never really had any problem with riding on Renner as it is. There is enough bike traffic on weekends that drivers expect you to be there. I don't know about regular weekdays, though.
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Old 09-04-09, 11:06 AM   #13
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What you really have to take into considderation is that San Antonio is a different culture. I grew up in SA and now live in DFW. SA is way more laid back, think of how much more laid back Fort Worth is than Dallas, San Antonio is even more so. There are those who commute long distances, but on a whole SA is an artist community and have a no rush attitude, if your in no rush then you arn't as intollerant of others.
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Be very cautious using the bike lanes on Custer. The police are not patrolling them and the drivers are not aware of them and drive in them and pedestrians are using them as jogging lanes. I live in that area of Richardson and have contacted the city with my concerns.

Apparently, until all the correct signage is in place, the city cannot/will not enforce the law about cars driving in the bike lanes. Cart in front of the horse here I think.
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