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    too many people out for a leisure ride. definitely a cluster****.

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    I've done the Dallas CM ride a couple times. It's not as big as HOU by any means and the vibe is very chill / low key. Yes they stop traffic, but OTOH every weekend shopride / hammerfest around here also blows through stop signs and red lights so I don't see a whole lot of moral high ground for the roadie crowd there.

    In general my view is that most of us are habitually in a hurry for no good reason and it doesn't hurt you much to take a breather once in a while. It's no different than if you get caught waiting for a train at a crossing that's usually empty. Just chill.
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    My problem with any ride like that is that drivers already have enough animosity towards cyclists. We don't need to go out and deliberately cause more on a regular basis. I understand people that like to promote the us against them mentality, but guess what...when push comes to shove, the car wins over the bike every time. So next time you consider taking joy in making the hothead in the pickup truck wait 20 minutes at a intersection, understand that the hothead in the pickup truck will likely take it out on the next few cyclists he sees riding by themselves by running them off the road or worse. It simply gives cyclists a bad image and it isn't helpful in advancing the "share the road" message when we don't share it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    Though, again, what you've described -- "being stuck at a light for 20 minutes" -- happens many, many times during rush hour throughout the world. Now, it's not due to an organized group (not that Critical Mass is organized, mind you, but it is a group), it's just due to heavy traffic. Rush hour, like Happy hour, lasts many hours.
    Not the same. I drive in rush hour traffic and one group of cars never take over an intersection for 20 minutes. When the light turns red, the cars stop entering the intersection and let other directions travel. Not the same thing at all.

    And they are absolutely organized. They all gather at the same place at the same time and ride the same route. That's organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    It's 2,000 vehicles, all taking the same route, They're going to snarl traffic no matter what they do. If they stopped for red lights, they'd take three times as long to get through intersections and therefore block traffic going the same direction as them more, but at least cross traffic would be better able to flow (as long as nobody was turning.) That said, I'd prefer they stop for red lights, if only just to reduce the criticism.
    They shouldn't block any traffic. Stop at lights, let people pass, just like other cars and bikes do all the time. If it takes longer to get there ... so what? If they were in a hurry they could have stayed where they started, since that's where they're headed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txags92 View Post
    My problem with any ride like that is that drivers already have enough animosity towards cyclists. We don't need to go out and deliberately cause more on a regular basis. I understand people that like to promote the us against them mentality, but guess what...when push comes to shove, the car wins over the bike every time. So next time you consider taking joy in making the hothead in the pickup truck wait 20 minutes at a intersection, understand that the hothead in the pickup truck will likely take it out on the next few cyclists he sees riding by themselves by running them off the road or worse. It simply gives cyclists a bad image and it isn't helpful in advancing the "share the road" message when we don't share it back.
    I agree with this. I rode in a few Critical Masses in the early 2000s in San Francisco, and it wasn't for me. Although it was police escorted, and any cars breaking through the bike traffic were quickly pulled over by motorcycle police, I found the hostility generated to be counterproductive. Most riders were out to have some fun on a Friday night, but there were always a loud minority yelling at cars and sometimes banging on them. It was fun to do a couple times, but I felt that the me vs them vibe was too much.

    Another group started a ride called Critical Manners, which follows all traffic laws, but I never rode in it. I prefer small groups, but that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langa View Post
    Another group started a ride called Critical Manners, which follows all traffic laws, but I never rode in it. I prefer small groups, but that's me.
    The problem with Critical Manners is that it never seems to do very well.

    People ride in Critical Mass for many different reasons, but there's usually one underlying reason -- it's fun. Even if you're one of the majority of riders that's generally nice to drivers, isn't looking to cause trouble, etc. -- it's still fun.

    Critical Manners's usual mandate to follow the rules of the road to the letter tends to makes it not fun -- done properly, it follows the laws even more closely than most shop rides, for example. Some people may think it's fun, but I've seen a few Critical Manners rides started up here in Austin and they tend to get a good turnout the first month, a mediocre turnout the next month and nobody shows up the third.

    Maybe if the right people got the ride going and kept it going it could work, but I've yet to see it last more than a few months. Which is a pity -- it's a nice idea.

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    Fort Worth's Critical Mass ride would appear to be more of a Critical Manners ride to people from other cities. Usually chill, laid back, no more than a hundred riders. Last ride, we pretty much got through all the lights without need of corkers. We try to be friendly and wave at the cars, they usually wave back and honk (friendly honks for the most part).
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    might join the ride this month but probably bring my least favorite bike.

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    make sure you dress up in a costume. this week it's Critical Massacre! (for halloween).
    i also suggest joining the critical mass facebook group/page for info on the rides and to chat with people.
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