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    Can I buy a Taser Gun

    in shops in the US ?

    Been preparing for my 3 month tour of Western US, but mainy of the posts here have me somewhat freaked out. Crazy drivers stalking you, wild packs of HUGE dogs running after you, violent helmet advocates that will hate you for not wearing one and who knows what else I'll run into. Thought a TASER would be helpful, at least just to overcome my fear.

    And it also seems like car/truck drivers don't have a clue how to "handle" bikes on the road. Quess I'll need to get that helmet and also a full body armor as well. Man, that'll be hot going through Nevada......

    ****, maybe I should just stay home here in safe little bike friendly Scandinavia ?

    Or is touring the US that bad ?


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    Yes you can get a taser at almost any local gun shop and for relatively cheap. But i just opt for a gun!
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    Big Lug, that reply will certainly not help scandiho feel more secure! That said, when going to North America, or anywhere in the world, you'll find deranged people who think that they own everything or that they are the sole repository of all wisdom... add to this a culture of violence and a certain level or arrogance and you are likely to encounter dangerous nutcases...

    I met many of those in North america, South America, Europe and China... I bet you can't escape them... but I have serious doubt about the usufulness of any weapon against these guys... after all, you pretty much fall into their game if you seek violent means of 'protection'. I don't know about each states in the US, but in Canada these guns are illegal anyway.

    In my opinion, it is much better to avoid confrontational situations!

    And finally, there are way more friendly people in the US than anything else.

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    Sure you could buy a tazer, or a real gun-provided you are (or get) properly trained on its safety, and use. And provided you can get licensed to carry concealed, across state lines. I would think if you are planning to stop at national parks this may prove problematic (very strict weapon regulations).

    For personal defense I would recommend sprays (mace/pepper). Allows further distance and more "shots" than a tazer. Is non-lethal. Works against animals (again non-lethal).

    a) Use your brain-don't get into a bad situation.
    b) Use your legs-walk away from a bad situation.
    c) Use your mouth-don't make a bad situation worse (but call for help as needed).

    -Also, I wouldn't be concerned with being "attacked" while touring. Perhaps a bit of a concern in some Metro areas you might visit for "touristy" sites-only because you may not be that familiar with "bad" parts of town.

    It's the same all over the world-not just in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magictofu
    Big Lug, that reply will certainly not help scandiho feel more secure! That said, when going to North America, or anywhere in the world, you'll find deranged people who think that they own everything or that they are the sole repository of all wisdom... add to this a culture of violence and a certain level or arrogance and you are likely to encounter dangerous nutcases...

    I met many of those in North america, South America, Europe and China... I bet you can't escape them... but I have serious doubt about the usufulness of any weapon against these guys... after all, you pretty much fall into their game if you seek violent means of 'protection'. I don't know about each states in the US, but in Canada these guns are illegal anyway.

    In my opinion, it is much better to avoid confrontational situations!

    And finally, there are way more friendly people in the US than anything else.
    Wasnt trying to make him feel more or less secure, i was simply just anwsering his question. And on another note there is nothing wrong with wanting to have a means of protection when riding on a bike that cost a small fortune. No matter where you go in the world how nice everyone is there will always be that one person that will want what you have and possible want to hurt you in the process. so regardless if you want to be in that situation or not it can be brought to you and you may have no choice but to fight and being out in the middle of no where with all your stuff on your person, and having that person know it they already have a advantage. I spend every day of my life armed and have never had to use it but i know in the back of my head that if put in a situation where me or some other innocent person may be harmed by some low life scum I know that i will be able to excersize one of the rights that my fore fathers fought for. Or you could just be in the middle of the dessert with nothing and sit on the side of the road till a truck passes by while watching someone drive off with everything you have?? And for the "Violent means of protection" What kind of non violent protection do you recommed someone use throw a nerf ball at them? I am sure there means of attack will have some type of violence.

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    Check out Cheaper Than Dirt.com. It's a surplus outfit out of Texas, and they sell tasers and and mace type sprays at very reasonable prices.....I'm just a customer, not an employee.
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    There are 280+ million of us here in the US , Reading a handfull of posts about dogs and drivers (including mine)on a BBS doesn't mean the whole country is nuts.
    I can't come up with five bicycle tourists in the US during the past 20 years who have met thier end by violent means( meaning personal attack) that I have heard of. As in Europe, here in the US you are hundreds more times likely to be done in by a drunk driver. I haven't seen a gun or tazer yet that can stop a car that suddenly comes upon you. being alert and using a rear view mirror when you ride is more effective.
    As for dogs in my experience a yell and a squirt in the face from a waterbottle works just as good as anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lug
    ...I spend every day of my life armed...
    I'm curious how one does that legally while touring(across state lines&such)? Seriously-(not trying to start a flame war)-but how would a regular citizen go about getting the proper permitts to carry concealed in different States? Is there a national permitt available (to non-peace officers). Makes perfect sense to me for an off duty peace officer to carry all the time (extra training&such).

    -And remember, the original poster is a foreign tourist (I assume non-US citizen, to travel on a tourist Visa), probably not trained with handgun use etc.

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    Scandi,

    Don't freak out! I think people like to post their horror stories, and I was a bit worried too, but people in the US, especially in small towns are overwhelmingly friendly and helpful.

    I had 2 only slightly bad people encounters in 10 weeks of touring, and probably 500 wonderful ones.

    Drivers - the worst ones are the folks with the rental RV's who don't know how big their vehicle is. Try not to ride the national parks on weekends and holidays (Memorial Day 5/28-30, July 4th 7/2-4, Labor Day 9/3-5). Helmet - yes. Mirror - yes. Body armor (I know you are kidding) - no. The truckers are usually friendly and courteous. Be friendly, wave, share the road.

    Dogs... well, there are some bad ones for sure, I carried pepper spray, available in any camping/hunting shop, but I never used it. Got chased about 10 times, only 2 were really scary. Guess I was lucky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl
    ...Camel has it going on!...
    HA! Here's me with "it going on!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel
    I'm curious how one does that legally while touring(across state lines&such)? Seriously-(not trying to start a flame war)-but how would a regular citizen go about getting the proper permitts to carry concealed in different States? Is there a national permitt available (to non-peace officers). Makes perfect sense to me for an off duty peace officer to carry all the time (extra training&such).

    -And remember, the original poster is a foreign tourist (I assume non-US citizen, to travel on a tourist Visa), probably not trained with handgun use etc.
    Frequently states will, through reciprocity agreements, honour the terms and conditions of other states carry permits. That said, you need to know for sure! Research the carry laws in states you plan to visit. Know what the rules are before you visit. Logistically, a nightmare for a cross country tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel
    I'm curious how one does that legally while touring(across state lines&such)? Seriously-(not trying to start a flame war)-but how would a regular citizen go about getting the proper permitts to carry concealed in different States? Is there a national permitt available (to non-peace officers). Makes perfect sense to me for an off duty peace officer to carry all the time (extra training&such).

    -And remember, the original poster is a foreign tourist (I assume non-US citizen, to travel on a tourist Visa), probably not trained with handgun use etc.
    You have to know each states laws. I livei n florida with a concealed weapons permit i can carry in i believe 30 or so of hte states florida is onoe of the flag ship states and most other states either honor our laws or allow a reciprocity relationship. but there are a 2 states that dont allow oyu to carry at all and some states that dont even require you to have a permit to carry. There is no national permit. If you are going into a state that doesnt all conceal carry you have to lock it up and put it in the trunk if in a car and there is a way to legally carry it while touring jsut not sure of the details. but in order to get all states posible you would have to get permits from the states that dont honor you current permit.Any info you could ever want to know about this cna be found at www.packing.org

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    Some states consider the original Tasers to be firearms, specifically handguns, because pistol primers were used to propel the darts. The newer Tasers, which use a different propulsion system for the darts, may or may not be prohibited, depending on the law of each state. It the device does not propel darts, then it is not a Taser, but something generically called a stun gun, which requires that the device be held in contact with the target in order to deliver the electric charge. IMHO, stun guns are useless against hardened criminals, and a Taser is only a wise choice when combined with a whole bag of tricks to include training in unarmed combatives and alternative weapons. I work for an agency which issues the newer type of Tasers, and results have been mixed. Generally speaking, a Taser is an alternative to striking someone with an impact weapon, NOT an alternative to deadly force. For information and links to state laws on weapons and self-defense, packing.org is a very informative site. An increasing number of states have handgun permit/license reciprocity with other states, and some states recognize certain other states or even all other states. The closest thing to a national handgun permit is HR 218, which allows active police officers and many honorably retired officers to carry handguns in all states. This fairly new law was specifically worded to not establish a national police force, nor give arrest powers to out-of-state officers, but to allow carry of a handgun to use for defense of self and others, depending on the laws of each state. Example: I am a Texas peace officer, but if carrying in New York state, I must abide by the self-defense laws of NY state, and can only arrest and detain based on the laws of citizen's arrest in NY state. Sorry to be so long-winded, but if ya open the can, might as well dump out all the worms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex G
    ...Sorry to be so long-winded, but if ya open the can, might as well dump out all the worms.
    No apologie required-that's exactly the type of info I was interested in. Permit reciprocity makes sense. As far as National Parks go, I'd probably have to look at that site. Carrying a concealed handgun on tour still seems a goodly bit of trouble (to me-a non peace officer, or military).

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    ScandiHo, Considering the replies here, I'd be affraid to encounter someone carrying a gun who had a bad day and step on his/her foot by mistake... you never know how people can react! Especially considering the fairly high levels of mental distress found in all developped countries. Seriously, just thinking that people around me could be carrying guns just freaks me out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lug
    Wasnt trying to make him feel more or less secure, i was simply just anwsering his question. And on another note there is nothing wrong with wanting to have a means of protection when riding on a bike that cost a small fortune. No matter where you go in the world how nice everyone is there will always be that one person that will want what you have and possible want to hurt you in the process. so regardless if you want to be in that situation or not it can be brought to you and you may have no choice but to fight and being out in the middle of no where with all your stuff on your person, and having that person know it they already have a advantage. I spend every day of my life armed and have never had to use it but i know in the back of my head that if put in a situation where me or some other innocent person may be harmed by some low life scum I know that i will be able to excersize one of the rights that my fore fathers fought for. Or you could just be in the middle of the dessert with nothing and sit on the side of the road till a truck passes by while watching someone drive off with everything you have?? And for the "Violent means of protection" What kind of non violent protection do you recommed someone use throw a nerf ball at them? I am sure there means of attack will have some type of violence. J.W.

    I guess it's all a matter of diverging opinion here... I prefer to invest in insurance and let a thief get away with my stuff then engaging in any kind of fight and especially a gun fight (I'd never kill someone for anything material and hardly imagine myself killing someone to protect a human life). So yes, I'd sit in the middle of the desert waiting for a truck. As for non-violent means of protection you have cell phones that you can use to call for help. But even then, I prefer not to succumb to fear, even if for some it could be construed as being negligent.

    I know this topic is hotly debated in the US but viewed from Canada, where in many cities even police officers stay away from taser guns in fear of causing heart dammage to people, it is frightening. I bet people from Europe would feel similar... but then, I might be wrong on this.

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    Quess I'll see if I can find some pepperspray. I'll be going through bear country as well, so best option.
    The dog issue did freak me a little after reading a post on the roadbiekforum where someone did a 300km brevet and had 2-3 huge white dogs run after her while it was dark as well.
    Quess my greatest worry is traffic and especially, as several members have pointed out, the big RV's on small roads.
    Can't really see having a mirror on my bike. Does that really work?

    And where would you keep the pepperspray? In the handlebar bag? Wonder if I would have time to get it out in case of a mutt attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magictofu
    ScandiHo, Considering the replies here, I'd be affraid to encounter someone carrying a gun who had a bad day and step on his/her foot by mistake... you never know how people can react! Especially considering the fairly high levels of mental distress found in all developped countries. Seriously, just thinking that people around me could be carrying guns just freaks me out!
    O your absolutly right everyone has there own opinions and are entitled to them! I just have problem letting someone take something that i have worked so hard for! You would be amazed the amount of people that carry guns! I would have no problem ending someones life to protect anothers.As far as for a personal possession i wouldnt end someones life over it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScandiHo
    Can't really see having a mirror on my bike. Does that really work?
    Works for me. Still look back if performing a latteral move though (into traffic). If you wear a helmet, there are several types that can attach to one. If you opt not to wear a helmet, there are a couple kinds that can attach to either ball caps, or to glasses (prescription, or non).


    Quote Originally Posted by ScandiHo
    Quess I'll see if I can find some pepperspray...

    ...And where would you keep the pepperspray? In the handlebar bag? Wonder if I would have time to get it out in case of a mutt attack?
    That's where I keep mine while on tour (in an outside handlebar bag pocket). While commuting (or off bike) I try to keep it handy, either with my cell phone (on a pack strap pocket), or in a shirt or pants pocket.

    I've had occassion to use it on a ferrile dog while on tour (in Europe). If it was in my HB bag, I wouldn't have had time to get it-stopped it in its tracks. I've also had occasion to use it on a Black Bear.

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    [QUOTE=ScandiHo]

    ****, maybe I should just stay home here in safe little bike friendly Scandinavia ?

    Or is touring the US that bad ?

    QUOTE]

    It looks like US forum members have answered your question. I just prefer to bike somewhere where almost no one has a handgun.
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    Talking about bear spray... I remember reading an article about someone in Canada who brought a can of bear spray in a restaurant and got arrested for carrying a weapon (the idea was that bear spray could be used as an accepted self protectio devce in bear country but that it was not acceptable in a restaurant). I tried to find a reference to it online but failed. Anyone remember such a case?

    Finally, I've also read (can't remember where) that a water pistol full of lemon juice works fine on dogs... you aim for the eyes and mouth. Not sure this would work on a bear though... but then I don't worry about bears and dogs too much (i live in the East and all we have are relatively docile black bears).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScandiHo
    And where would you keep the pepperspray? In the handlebar bag? Wonder if I would have time to get it out in case of a mutt attack?
    My girlfriend uses velcro to attach the pepper spray to the handlebar stem.

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    [QUOTE=stokell]
    Quote Originally Posted by ScandiHo

    ****, maybe I should just stay home here in safe little bike friendly Scandinavia ?

    Or is touring the US that bad ?

    QUOTE]

    It looks like US forum members have answered your question. I just prefer to bike somewhere where almost no one has a handgun.
    where you from? Canada has more gun per captia then the us... if your nto from canada well hmm...

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    but that is rifles and shotguns i believe that make there numbers so high and there is no ability to conceal carry Canada either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScandiHo
    Can't really see having a mirror on my bike. Does that really work?

    And where would you keep the pepperspray? In the handlebar bag? Wonder if I would have time to get it out in case of a mutt attack?
    I have a helmet mirror, and it works well for me. Some swear by the ones that attach to eyeglasses or sunglasses, I don't see why a decent one wouldn't work well. I don't use it instead of looking back, but it gives you more time to check things out and spot trouble.

    My trunk bag has a carry handle on the front of it, so it's like right behind my seat. My pepper spray has a belt clip, which works fine on the trunk bag handle. It's an easy reach to get to it. I pulled it this past weekend when a dog seemed intent on going after my daughter, but he was just a runner so I didn't use it. Was the first time I had pulled it in a "real world" situation, and it was fast and easy. Wasn't hard to get it back in place either.
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