"A lot of what you pay for with expensive touring bikes is that it looks prettier..."
06-28-16, 11:08 AM
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I pack for the circumstance:
For 100 day tour to Deadhorse, Alaska:
For a summer weekend bike-camping get-away:
Me = Fred wannabe
For 100 day tour to Deadhorse, Alaska:
For a summer weekend bike-camping get-away:
Me = Fred wannabe
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06-28-16, 12:23 PM
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too difficult to fly with, too restrictive as to riding possibilities,
and overall just too fred." Are you not complaining that it's too slow, too heavy, too awkward, too difficult, too restrictive? Did you not say those things? or did someone break into your account here and do that for you? sounds like you're crying about it to me. And if you look at those blogs I don't see one sofa in the crowd or a replacement frame anywhere. Then you change your tune and say of course you can go loaded anywhere but that's not what you said, in fact, let me repost it again, you said: "too restrictive as to riding possibilities" And yet people have ridden fully loaded in more remote places than you have gone with your light load, and that's fine if you don't want to go into remote areas for months on end, I won't judge you that, but you can't say all those things you said about being fully loaded without realizing someone was going to call you on it.
06-28-16, 12:26 PM
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06-28-16, 12:47 PM
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let me repost what you said: "four-bag set-ups are just too slow, too heavy, too awkward,
too difficult to fly with, too restrictive as to riding possibilities,
and overall just too fred." Are you not complaining that it's too slow, too heavy, too awkward, too difficult, too restrictive? Did you not say those things? or did someone break into your account here and do that for you? sounds like you're crying about it to me. And if you look at those blogs I don't see one sofa in the crowd or a replacement frame anywhere. Then you change your tune and say of course you can go loaded anywhere but that's not what you said, in fact, let me repost it again, you said: "too restrictive as to riding possibilities" And yet people have ridden fully loaded in more remote places than you have gone with your light load, and that's fine if you don't want to go into remote areas for months on end, I won't judge you that, but you can't say all those things you said about being fully loaded without realizing someone was going to call you on it.
too difficult to fly with, too restrictive as to riding possibilities,
and overall just too fred." Are you not complaining that it's too slow, too heavy, too awkward, too difficult, too restrictive? Did you not say those things? or did someone break into your account here and do that for you? sounds like you're crying about it to me. And if you look at those blogs I don't see one sofa in the crowd or a replacement frame anywhere. Then you change your tune and say of course you can go loaded anywhere but that's not what you said, in fact, let me repost it again, you said: "too restrictive as to riding possibilities" And yet people have ridden fully loaded in more remote places than you have gone with your light load, and that's fine if you don't want to go into remote areas for months on end, I won't judge you that, but you can't say all those things you said about being fully loaded without realizing someone was going to call you on it.
your talking to the wrong person, I never said this:
"""four-bag set-ups are just too slow, too heavy, too awkward,
too difficult to fly with, too restrictive as to riding possibilities,
and overall just too fred."""
06-28-16, 12:54 PM
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https://www.bikeforums.net/18853418-post401.html
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06-28-16, 12:56 PM
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but I am also a hipster who posts pictures at IG
maybe ....
maybe.....
.... I would bring a bit more for Alaska ...
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06-28-16, 12:57 PM
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posts. you are under the misteaken impression that i are a bikepacker.
that i am not. i've done the expedition load for about 18 months
straight, have done the loaded touring for numerous multi-month
tours. currently trying to keep weight under 25 pounds with rear
bags.
really not sure what you're arguing about.....the quote you're
"calling" me on is what i've picked up from reading posts and
blogs and articles by bikepackers as to why they've moved
away from loaded touring and gone that route.
you know, the bikepackfolk themselves explaining why they
prefer bikepacking over heavy, loaded touring......and yes,
there was indeed one blog lamenting the "freds" driving
LHT's!
06-28-16, 01:34 PM
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Then you also need to be clearer in what you are saying. Sorry but you just didn't come across as making a sarcastic post.
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06-28-16, 01:42 PM
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And you know that they are carrying 100 lbs how? And you know how long they have been touring how?
Personally, I carry the same amount of stuff for a two week tour as I carry for a month long tour. If I were inclined to go for a 6 month, 2 year or 5 year tour, I'd carry the same amount of stuff. I'd probably carry the same amount of stuff for a 4 day tour. In fact, I find that a 3 to 5 day tour is the hardest tour to pack for.
Personally, I carry the same amount of stuff for a two week tour as I carry for a month long tour. If I were inclined to go for a 6 month, 2 year or 5 year tour, I'd carry the same amount of stuff. I'd probably carry the same amount of stuff for a 4 day tour. In fact, I find that a 3 to 5 day tour is the hardest tour to pack for.
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06-28-16, 01:47 PM
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Crap, sorry, SaddleSores said that stuff, you responded so I thought you said it, sorry.
06-28-16, 01:53 PM
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And it was not a quote from someone else, but his own words that he referenced as a quote from a previous post that was mistakenly referred to by another poster as a quotation from a different poster, while originally it just a phrase based on information gathered over time from other posters in various other forums and or threads. See? its easy. You just have to give up everything else in your life and follow this thread while taking notes and referencing your previous noted observations on the character of all the participants.
06-28-16, 02:04 PM
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I am a bit image obsessed. I go nuts if my tires are different makes front to back, and the idea of having one chrome and one black rack makes me shiver. My quill stems and other aluminum bits have to be polished, and I have a rule that areo brake levers can never be used on a bike with no brazed on cable routing. Things that no one else will ever notice of care about if they see.
Because it really takes a twerp to laugh at someone else's choices, be they contrived or just thrown together because they don't obsess over pointless stuff like spacer stack.
Because it really takes a twerp to laugh at someone else's choices, be they contrived or just thrown together because they don't obsess over pointless stuff like spacer stack.
06-28-16, 02:06 PM
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I read it as sarcastic, both in content and context.
And it was not a quote from someone else, but his own words that he referenced as a quote from a previous post that was mistakenly referred to by another poster as a quotation from a different poster, while originally it just a phrase based on information gathered over time from other posters in various other forums and or threads. See? its easy. You just have to give up everything else in your life and follow this thread while taking notes and referencing your previous noted observations on the character of all the participants.
And it was not a quote from someone else, but his own words that he referenced as a quote from a previous post that was mistakenly referred to by another poster as a quotation from a different poster, while originally it just a phrase based on information gathered over time from other posters in various other forums and or threads. See? its easy. You just have to give up everything else in your life and follow this thread while taking notes and referencing your previous noted observations on the character of all the participants.
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Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
06-28-16, 02:11 PM
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Your link must have failed. I can't find any picture you've posted on this thread
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06-28-16, 04:15 PM
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OK, it was the last paragraph, the one that had everyone all twitterpated, and I guess that the term "wry" would fit better than sarcastic. The overall tone was set with the deliberate misspelling of carefully in the first line. But on the whole, it was a pretty good post, blending realistic acceptance of the motives of others with a shoulder shrugging sense of whatever, this is still the way I tend to do it.
06-28-16, 05:16 PM
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Anybody who has read just a fraction of saddlesore's 1501 posts over the past 12 years is aware of both his writing and bike touring style. Here was the mis-understood post...
https://www.bikeforums.net/18874377-post485.html
I think "tongue in cheek" may describe his style better than "sarcastic".
https://www.bikeforums.net/18874377-post485.html
I think "tongue in cheek" may describe his style better than "sarcastic".
06-28-16, 05:37 PM
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I must agree with you here, more $$ = better finish, frame, components, wheels etc. Better stuff = I'm more comfortable and happier. Look at the folks with brooks saddles. Why? Because it makes them happier and more comfortable. I really enjoy my carbon road bicycle. I get around town well enough with my Giant momentum, nice finish, I might swap out the deraileur sometime.
Some of you consider my Trek 920 expensive, particular with the brifter swap. But I consider it a good mid-range bicycle. If I win the lottery I'll have something 3 times the cost. A Porshe is a better car than a '90 Ford Escort.
Reynolds 953 is better than no-name cromoly. Dura Ace is better than Tiagra. $1k custom shoes are better than my $50 on sale shoes. These examples are not just my opinion they are hard facts.
My car cost me $1k. Much less the the recent bicycle, it does point A to point B well enough. It serves my purpose. My bicycle also serves me well, at more $$.
Today I caught myself scoffing at a couple of middle aged women in gym shorts and tennis shoes on inexpensive hybrid bicycles. I corrected myself, noting they were outside on a beautiful day enjoying themselves. Good for them. And good for your $750 bicycle you pulled together.
But as you said it's not for me. Different spokes for different folks.
More expensive almost always means better quality.
Live well and prosper!!
Some of you consider my Trek 920 expensive, particular with the brifter swap. But I consider it a good mid-range bicycle. If I win the lottery I'll have something 3 times the cost. A Porshe is a better car than a '90 Ford Escort.
Reynolds 953 is better than no-name cromoly. Dura Ace is better than Tiagra. $1k custom shoes are better than my $50 on sale shoes. These examples are not just my opinion they are hard facts.
My car cost me $1k. Much less the the recent bicycle, it does point A to point B well enough. It serves my purpose. My bicycle also serves me well, at more $$.
Today I caught myself scoffing at a couple of middle aged women in gym shorts and tennis shoes on inexpensive hybrid bicycles. I corrected myself, noting they were outside on a beautiful day enjoying themselves. Good for them. And good for your $750 bicycle you pulled together.
But as you said it's not for me. Different spokes for different folks.
More expensive almost always means better quality.
Live well and prosper!!
Remember that people have joyfully and successfully ridden across the continent whilst those people rodea gaspipe like BSO.
Btw, more expensive doesn't always mean more durable. A lot of times the more expensive lightweight stuff is borderline durability and a less expensive item is actually a better buy.
Cheers
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Why would you take a kitchen sink of any sort on an UL bike trip? Of all the things I think I may need, that does not even register on the radar. How many dishes do you have to wash anyway? My entire UL kitchen consists of an army can opener and a spoon. Eat out of the can and lick the spoon - dishes done.