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Old 02-07-17, 10:11 AM   #26
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I generally don't do daytime running lights. But, I'd consider something like a Reelight, no battery rear light, depending on whether one can get the mount right (I often overhang my rack a bit).

https://www.reelight.com/en/products...er-rear-light/

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I generally don't do daytime running lights. But, I'd consider something like a Reelight, no battery rear light, depending on whether one can get the mount right (I often overhang my rack a bit).

https://www.reelight.com/en/products...er-rear-light/

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This looks very clever. Good suggestion.
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Old 02-07-17, 12:06 PM   #29
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I agree that they are very good lights. As your pictures show, they are very, very bright in darkness. They're not quite as good though I think in low light situations. If you look at the 2d row of the pictures from this website, you can see the difference between darkness and low light situations with this light:

Busch & Muller LED Line Permanent Taillight ? TheTouringStore.com
Just put one of these on order. It'll also bolt right up to my Tubus rack! WOOT!
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I use a cygo lite hot shot for the rear and a cygo lite 350 lumen metro for the front. USB rechargeable. Works well.
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My proof of effectiveness is the number of drivers, including a few with blood/alcohol levels way over the legal limits, who have stopped to tell me how far away they could see me. I mount the light on my helmets, which increases visibility distance and side to side range. I do the same with my headlight, which I donít run all day while on tour.
I love the helpful drunks who pull over to offer help. Happens pretty often on the country road to my house. At all hours.

On topic, I usually just take my planet bike blinky, and keep the batteries either topped up if I have a charger, or new if I am running non rechargable. I do use a tall orange flag, and have had people tell me that they saw it long before they usually see a cyclist.
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I love the helpful drunks who pull over to offer help. Happens pretty often on the country road to my house. At all hours.

On topic, I usually just take my planet bike blinky, and keep the batteries either topped up if I have a charger, or new if I am running non rechargable. I do use a tall orange flag, and have had people tell me that they saw it long before they usually see a cyclist.
What kind of flag do you run? Is it installed to the rear axle, the rack, or somewhere else?
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What kind of flag do you run? Is it installed to the rear axle, the rack, or somewhere else?
Usually at a rear axle mount, braced in the rack. I put it at an angle leaning to the rear to give my foot a bit more room while mounting. Its a short learning curve to bend the knee enough to miss the pole, but when I am really tired at the end of the day I sometimes forget.

Ive also made a PVC holder zip tied to the rack. Lost a flag with that set up when I ran up onto an overgrown sidewalk in a town I was passing through. Flag snagged on a tree and I did not want to go back looking for it when I noticed. Need to find a new flag.

Thinking about making a new one from a fishing pole rod. Not that I fish, but it might be lighter than the last cheapo solid fiberglass one I had.

I only use a flag when touring, but not on all my tours. On long trips it makes my family feel better, and in all honesty I notice a difference in the way drivers notice me coming up on intersections and the like in the middle of high cornfields, fences, and what not. And as I said, people have actually told me at stops that they saw me sooner than they would have without it.
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Blinky lights, front and rear, always when cars are around. Paths and trails? Depends how I feel. Usually not.
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We'll never know, but would an impartial observer have said your blinkies were any brighter from the same distance? I've found little correlation between what's visible from a distance and how bright a light looks from the back of the bike -- it has a lot to do with the angle between the light and the observer.
For clarification, I don't like dry cells. I was using this as an example of less than optimum output.

Therefore, yes I believe my fully charged tail lamp is quite a bit more noticeable than hers working at 30-40%.
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Just put one of these on order. It'll also bolt right up to my Tubus rack! WOOT!
Just a word of caution, learned the hard way.

The light is taken apart to replace batteries by removing a small phillips screw at the bottom front section.


The natural tendency is to separate the light by pulling out on the bottom. This can cause damage to the tabs. The top of the 2 sections are held together by 2 pins in the back section(black) that are inserted in the holes in the 2 tabs in the front section (red).

The correct way to separate the sections is to remove the screw and apply downward pressure on the front (red side) portion of the light until the pins are clear of the holes in the tabs.

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Purchased a new rear light today. The Blackburn Mars Click. Runs on two CR2032 batteries and came with two extra. 170 hours in the blink mode which is what I'll run it on. Had to do some engineering with what I had around the house to attach it to my Transit rack.

Took a 1" level and drilled a hole straight down the middle. Washed out the gunk and ran a 2" bolt down it. When I get to San Diego next week the light will be zip tied as an extra precaution. As it sits now it's on their pretty tight. (I'm holding it because I'd taken it off and not putting it back on until I reach San Diego). I'm sure I could have done something different like used a 1" wooden dowel as someone else mentioned in a previous thread but thought I'd use what I had on hand instead of spending more money.



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I know this thread is about rear lights but I think the cateye HL EL 135 could make a fine front light for bike touring. It gets 320 hours on blinking and would make a fine flashlight as well around the camp. The other thing I like about it is that cateye makes a nifty fork bracket that will work with it. That's a good place for a light. In any case, I find the handlebar is usually too cluttered with stuff to have much place for a light.

http://cateyeamerica.com/CFB-100-Center-Fork-Bracket

Busch and Muller make a fork bracket as well for their IXON headlight which may be the best battery front light out there.

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I also think super bright Hi-Viz clothing is MUCH more beneficial in daylight than any lights. Especially in low light (dusk/dawn/cloud/rain) conditions since these hi-viz colors actually reflect some amount of non-visible UV light back into the visible spectrum. So in low-ish light, the broad spectrum low daylight makes hi-viz stuff look almost electrically powered.

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agree with dbg on clothing during day.
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I currently flash with a Cygolite Pro 80, but I see they have come out with a Pro 150 for less $$$ than I paid for the Pro 80 a couple of years ago. Most of the time while touring I set it to a slow steady blink (about 30hrs burn time), which I think is a friendly non-emergency looking attention getter.
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I use the Planet Bike Blinky commuting, riding around the NYC and tours. After going through many different tail-lights, it was the one I settled on; primarily because of its high-visibility day & night. During the day I keep it on when overcast, dusk, dawn, during rush hour & during group tours (not to mention at night). The batteries seem to last forever. Easy to keep spares on hand & when they do wear down, they are an easy matter to replace.
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I did not see this thread earlier, I was riding down Highway 41 Eastbound through Big Cyprus Preserve when this thread started.

On bright sunny days, usually do not use a rear flasher. But overcast or foggy, I always use a rear flasher. I drove a motorcycle for several decades and my experience was that overcast days were the most dangerous, even with bright headlamp, I often had close calls but sunny days were much safer. Sometimes I also run a taillight on a sunny day if I think there is a good reason, such as my second photo below.

Night time, I prefer to have constant on instead of flashing, or I might run one of each. Flashing is harder for a driver to focus on to get any depth perception.

Front - only at night and never flashing. Flashing distracts drivers and they can't get any depth perception, constant on and they can estimate where you are.

Note on battery life. I have seen a lot of people keep using their batteries when their lights are pretty dim, don't assume that just because it is barely lit that all drivers behind you will see it. I use rechargeable AAA batteries and I usually recharge them if the light starts to look less bright than I really would like.

1st photo riding east towards a sunrise on a foggy day, my friend in front of me (you can just barely make out his outline) did not have his flasher on, but I had both of my flashers on.

2nd photo, over hills, around bends, in and out of shade, no shoulder so you are in the traffic lane, in a scenario like this a car can be almost on top of you before they see you, of course I had both of my flashers on.
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I use my rear blinky at night or if I'm going through a tunnel. Its a simple Planet Bike Superflash that runs on AAA batteries......just like my headlamp that sees double duty on the bike and around camp. I always start a tour with new AAAs and carry spares.

http://ecom1.planetbike.com/3034.html

I mount the blinky on my saddlebag.


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I said in a post above that I never use a front light unless it is night. Correction, on my bike with a dynohub, if I am not using the USB charger I turn the headlamp on because it does not hurt anything to have it on. Lab estimates on drag of a dynohub suggest it is equivalent to climbing about 5 more feet per mile, but I can't feel any drag so I turn the light on.

But on a tour, most of the time I am charging batteries so most of the time the headlight is off.

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I mount the blinky on my saddlebag.
I really think that rear lights should be mounted on the rack, frame or seatpost. Somewhere on the bike where the light can be aimed to the rear. And I think the aim should be checked occasionally to make sure it is pointing straight back.

I used to commute by driving my truck through a major college campus that had a lot of cyclists and I was constantly noticing how most of the cyclists that had taillights had them aimed towards the sky, or the ground, or to the side or someplace that a car driver did not notice the light until they were almost on top of the cyclist. That is why I do not think that mounting a light on a saddle bag or pannier is very effective. But at least the saddle bag is better than a backpack. Sometimes I could not even tell if a light on a backpack was on until I was within 20 feet of the cyclist.
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For all that tour with blinkies, in a group, does everyone ride with them, or is there just one person that brings up the rear with one on? There are a couple LBS groups that pack ride on the trial by me, most of whom insist on front and rear blinkies, I can't imagine being in a group for hours on end following all those flashing lights. Their purpose is to grab attention, which is actually the opposite of what I want them to do to me.
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I really think that rear lights should be mounted on the rack, frame or seatpost. Somewhere on the bike where the light can be aimed to the rear. And I think the aim should be checked occasionally to make sure it is pointing straight back.
I've checked my saddlebag mounted blinky visibility at various distances and it works well. There's also the large reflective patch above it that works a treat.
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