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Old 03-17-17, 11:46 AM   #51
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Who in this thread suggested blowing up the bridge and exactly what does blowing up a whale have anything remotely related to a bridge demolition other than the possible use of explosive? Or was this just an excuse to post a disgusting video?
Stay in Pennsylvania.
New Big Sur bridge at Pfeiffer Canyon will take at least 9 months to build
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You and I also have different outlooks and expectations.
We certainly do - - although I might choose to frame things a bit differently.
Someone might use a different adjective than "thick-skinned".

Speaking of infrastructure in California -

Oroville Dam -
Oroville Dam: Government officials ignored warnings nearly 12 years ago - CNN.com

Benicia-Martinez Bridge -

In the end, delays pushed back the opening seven years and increased the cost to nearly $1.3 billion - a more than four-fold increase.
Oroville Dam: Government officials ignored warnings nearly 12 years ago - CNN.com


California High Speed Rail -
California's bullet train is hurtling toward a multibillion-dollar overrun, a confidential federal report warns - LA Times
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Someone will probably file a lawsuit to keep the bridge from being built for the next ten years. Most likely over some rare snails that could be harmed.
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Is that some kind of threat?

What does your link have anything to do with your comment? The article says blowing up the bridge is not an option, so it has nothing to do with blowing up whales.

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Someone will probably file a lawsuit to keep the bridge from being built for the next ten years. Most likely over some rare snails that could be harmed.

They are going to have to do something. There are people living along that stretch with a huge investment in real estate. Not to mention the lose in revenue for tourism. It has to be a challenge to live there even under the best of conditions. I can't imagine what it must be like now. I was reading the blog about picking up supplies. Can you imagine?

Does anyone know where the electrical power comes from in that area? Is it locally produced or does it come from outside the community? If local then fuel might become an issue.
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The USAF LOVES bombing bridges.
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We certainly do - - although I might choose to frame things a bit differently.
Someone might use a different adjective than "thick-skinned".....
I don't think it's about being thick or thinned skinned, acknowledging differences doesn't imply a quality judgement.

But, don't confuse my confidence that this would be solved (for bicyclists), which IMO depended more on local initiative than state agencies. I'm still not convinced that they'll finish the replacement bridge on or close to schedule, but in the meantime it'll be passable to bicyclists.

Also, though I have some degree of confidence that this highly visible repair of a popular route will be completed fairly expediciously, it doesn't translate to a general view. Your short list of lapses and failures doesn't surprise me. Governments have amazing ability to avoid dealing with festering sores, and seem to prefer heroic efforts after a problem is in the headlines. The leaky roof dilemma seems to apply to things like fixing the Oroville Dam. You can't fix a roof when it's raining, and it doesn't leak when it's not.

Unfortunately, the immediacy of some of the needed road repairs will probably cause yet more delays on stuff that may be more important.
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I have been getting a lot of requests lately from bicyclists and others about the use of the trail that is being constructed partially by locals for locals through a closed area, and I would offer this observation: the community does not think this (the use of the trail by bicyclists or others) is a good idea. It is narrow and steep, and full of steps. We are trying to heal. The path is an emergency measure for those who live here who are trying to survive – separation from loves ones; separation from work and home; and separation from children and their schools. It is our way of surviving, not a way to welcome guests. We would ask the bicycling community and others to honor and respect the healing we are trying to obtain in a difficult situation and time. I know you would love to experience the coast without all the cars, so would we. However, it is not just the bridge, it is the other two problems – Paul’s Slide and Mud Creek, one of which will be closed to visitors all of April and probably May as well. So the trail will not get you down the coast. There are other closures preventing a through passageway.
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Enjoy it being nearly car free until you have to turn around , then it will be similar after your U turn.
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Another reminder that the entropy of Nature is supreme. Humans are a part of Nature but never it's enduring master.
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These locals who have decided to inhabit Paul’s Slide and Mud Creek are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. Although I feel some sympathy for their plight. I'd have no qualms about making my way on a single-one-way passage on something as low-impact as a bicycle.
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Another reminder that the entropy of Nature is supreme. Humans are a part of Nature but never it's enduring master.
Despite this temporary setback, I'll bet two beers on the humans.
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Unless they own the land they cannot stop you from using "their" trail.
Just smoke some weed and heal already.
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Unless they own the land they cannot stop you from using "their" trail.
Just smoke some weed and heal already.
It's early yet. Give them a bit more time to reconcile themselves that it's going to be a while, and they need a reasonably passable trail.

I'm sure that once reality sets in, they'll be open to making the trail open to cyclists who may support their local businesses. I'll bet that if you called a facility about lodging, then asked if it was possible to visit despite no bridge, they'd say "of course". Maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon.
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^^Yes. If they don't allow people into the area, the few stores and cafes will be no more.
I'm well aware of the locals, having taken this road many years on bike, motorcycle and auto.
I expect by summertime it will all even out.
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Despite this temporary setback, I'll bet two beers on the humans.
Humans have strong wills, but are much too impatient. Nature plays a long-game and will prevail. But that means no beer so I'll concede
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It's early yet. Give them a bit more time to reconcile themselves that it's going to be a while, and they need a reasonably passable trail.

I'm sure that once reality sets in, they'll be open to making the trail open to cyclists who may support their local businesses. I'll bet that if you called a facility about lodging, then asked if it was possible to visit despite no bridge, they'd say "of course". Maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon.
Have you ever visited Big Sur? Your comments make me think that you don't understand the extremely rugged topography or how sparse the local population is. The region is mostly public land. These are all reasons why there is no existing simple detour to the closed bridge. Also, there's not much in the way of local businesses between Carmel and Cambria. There are a small number of very pricey accommodations which probably got minimal business from touring cyclists when the bridge was open. Every touring cyclist I saw was camping, as I did myself when I toured there.
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Bridge demolition video.

KPIX Sky Drone 5: Big Sur?s Pfeiffer Bridge Comes Tumbling Down « CBS San Francisco
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The following facilities will reopen to the public on Monday:
  • Limekiln State Park
  • Sand Dollar Beach
  • Mill Creek Day Use Area
  • Willow Creek Day Use Area
  • Plaskett Creek Campground
  • Kirk Creek Campground

Sections of the above parks and campgrounds may still be under construction and accessibility may be limited.

Andrew Molera, Pfeiffer, Julia Pfeiffer Burns state parks remain closed indefinitely.
Botcher's Gap and Pfeiffer Beach are also closed to the public.

Those hoping to reach Big Sur by way of Highway 1 will have to reroute before hitting the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge. Motorists are advised to take State Route 1 from Carmel to south of Palo Colorado in Monterey County and north from Cambria to Ragged Point in San Luis Obispo.
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Adventure Cycling has created an alternate route to skip the damaged portions of Hwy 1.

You can read a description of this route here.
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Unfortunately, it skips the most scenic and normally lowest car-traffic stretch of Highway 1.
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You could try again next year, after Pfeiffer Creek bridge is replaced, if that scenic stretch is important to you.


The Bridge replacement, as I read, has begun..




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Unfortunately, it skips the most scenic and normally lowest car-traffic stretch of Highway 1.
+1

Skips the whole reason to ride the PCH in the first place.
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You dont like any of the Oregon coast?
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Skips the whole reason to ride the PCH in the first place.
As an Oregonian, I'll disagree with you
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