Loaded bike weight - 75 lbs vs 60 lbs
03-02-17, 10:36 AM
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For OP, Try out pop can stove before you actually take it on a tour. It's not as efficient as butane stove. And amount of time it takes to boil water is ridiculous if you want quick coffee or tea.
03-02-17, 11:06 AM
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After a few decades using Svea and various MSR stoves, my initial impression of pop can stoves wasn't very high either. However, once you adjust to the limitations, they are hard to beat on a lot of levels. And, they are totally silent.
If you need to cook for a group or boil a quart or more of water at a time, you will need a gas or butane stove.
03-02-17, 11:09 AM
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At the risk of piling on...
One more vote for start slow and give yourself plenty of time. If you were planning on doing 700 miles in 8 days, back it off to 14 days. Or cut the tour to 350-400 miles. Plan on an average of 50 miles a day, start with 40 the first day. You always need to leave some in the tank for the next day (unless tomorrow will be a rest day).
One more vote for start slow and give yourself plenty of time. If you were planning on doing 700 miles in 8 days, back it off to 14 days. Or cut the tour to 350-400 miles. Plan on an average of 50 miles a day, start with 40 the first day. You always need to leave some in the tank for the next day (unless tomorrow will be a rest day).
03-02-17, 11:35 AM
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Not dumbells. Rice and/or beans. Both come in convenient 1, 2, 5 and 10 (perhaps even higher) bags. They settle into the bottom of the panniers better. And, better yet, they won't wear holes in expensive water proof bags at the pressure points because they don't have pressure points.
03-02-17, 11:44 AM
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You may want to try a tablet+bluetooth keyboard. I also need more than a smart phone for work related activities. A 7 inch tablet + keyboard isn't a MacBook, but is surprisingly efficient and can run for several days between recharges.
03-02-17, 04:05 PM
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Regarding a pop can stove to heat water for freeze dried, life is too short to eat bad.
03-02-17, 04:53 PM
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They are at their best heating two cups of water. That's perfect for most freeze-dried meals, and if you can work out some simmering method, they burn long enough on an ounce to do mac' n cheese and things like the various Knorr sides. Boil time for two cups on the ones I've used is usually under five minutes.
After a few decades using Svea and various MSR stoves, my initial impression of pop can stoves wasn't very high either. However, once you adjust to the limitations, they are hard to beat on a lot of levels. And, they are totally silent.
If you need to cook for a group or boil a quart or more of water at a time, you will need a gas or butane stove.
After a few decades using Svea and various MSR stoves, my initial impression of pop can stoves wasn't very high either. However, once you adjust to the limitations, they are hard to beat on a lot of levels. And, they are totally silent.
If you need to cook for a group or boil a quart or more of water at a time, you will need a gas or butane stove.
Just my 2 cents.
03-02-17, 04:59 PM
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03-02-17, 05:22 PM
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A gourmet I am not. A quick glance at my waistline will show that to me any food is good.
I couldn't cook food like you've shown if I was towing a four burner stove with an oven.
03-02-17, 05:29 PM
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Depends on the activity for me.
I agree that life is too short to eat bad if the definition of bad is unhealthy. I've done trips where food is a central part of the social scene and other times food is just fuel. If I'm riding for miles and alone I would just forgo the stove all together and eat cold but healthy foods.
People poo poo the idea of canned goods because of the weight but if you add up the weight of stove, fuel and cookset, a couple of cans is probably far lighter and, depending on what you choose, it can be filled with better food than the heavily chemicalized "instant" stuff.
Most rides will pass a store or two each day and one can pick up a can or two, a good hearty loaf of bread, some fruit and packages of nuts for snacking on. last trip my entire kitchen consisted of a spoon and a can opener.
I agree that life is too short to eat bad if the definition of bad is unhealthy. I've done trips where food is a central part of the social scene and other times food is just fuel. If I'm riding for miles and alone I would just forgo the stove all together and eat cold but healthy foods.
People poo poo the idea of canned goods because of the weight but if you add up the weight of stove, fuel and cookset, a couple of cans is probably far lighter and, depending on what you choose, it can be filled with better food than the heavily chemicalized "instant" stuff.
Most rides will pass a store or two each day and one can pick up a can or two, a good hearty loaf of bread, some fruit and packages of nuts for snacking on. last trip my entire kitchen consisted of a spoon and a can opener.
03-02-17, 05:58 PM
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Not dumbells. Rice and/or beans. Both come in convenient 1, 2, 5 and 10 (perhaps even higher) bags. They settle into the bottom of the panniers better. And, better yet, they won't wear holes in expensive water proof bags at the pressure points because they don't have pressure points...
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03-02-17, 06:18 PM
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Don't forget the weight of the power supply. And the pressure to have access to an electrical outlet every single day or so.
You may want to try a tablet+bluetooth keyboard. I also need more than a smart phone for work related activities. A 7 inch tablet + keyboard isn't a MacBook, but is surprisingly efficient and can run for several days between recharges.
You may want to try a tablet+bluetooth keyboard. I also need more than a smart phone for work related activities. A 7 inch tablet + keyboard isn't a MacBook, but is surprisingly efficient and can run for several days between recharges.
03-02-17, 06:43 PM
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If you have time, perhaps try a day ride with the full gear, but set the panniers on your front rack and leave the huge bag on the top of the rear rack.
Your bike wont be so rear-heavy this way. Steering will be slower due to the weight up front, but the bike will be more balanced and you might find it even easier to ride up hills.
Just know that even very experienced riders around here change their setup from tour to tour depending on weather, location, and trying out new setups. Point is- its an ever refining process for most due to personal preferences, so there really isnt much that can be considered 'doing it wrong'.
Your bike wont be so rear-heavy this way. Steering will be slower due to the weight up front, but the bike will be more balanced and you might find it even easier to ride up hills.
Just know that even very experienced riders around here change their setup from tour to tour depending on weather, location, and trying out new setups. Point is- its an ever refining process for most due to personal preferences, so there really isnt much that can be considered 'doing it wrong'.
03-02-17, 06:45 PM
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Here's a good review, https://adventuresinstoving.blogspot...rangia-27.html
And if you want lightweight and efficient, caldera cones are pretty cool, https://www.traildesigns.com/stoves/caldera-cone-system
Not saying that alcohol is better than butane. I am saying that there are pros and cons to each system.
03-02-17, 07:40 PM
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I'm ~5 lbs for the same gear, incl. a rain cape and down poncho (multi-tasked), and honestly don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything as it's also the most comfortable rig I've ever had (incl. three different 2-man tents).
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03-02-17, 07:54 PM
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Six Moons Designs Lunar Solo LE. The footprint is just a slightly undersized piece of Tyvek.
I used one of my trekking poles for the lone pole and was thinking of getting a special lightweight pole just for bike use. Then I realized I would probably need at least one trekking pole to become vertical every morning.
I used one of my trekking poles for the lone pole and was thinking of getting a special lightweight pole just for bike use. Then I realized I would probably need at least one trekking pole to become vertical every morning.
03-02-17, 08:00 PM
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About a year ago I could have been more accurate about weight. I doubt the weight of what I named is under five, but it is WELL under ten.
03-02-17, 09:15 PM
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Well, VERY close to @Flintshooter ... SMD Gatewood Cape, Serenity NetTent, and Tyvek footprint, except that I've come to prefer the floorless design, reserving the modular 'nest' only for sleeping.
... SMD Gatewood Cape, Serenity NetTent, and Tyvek footprint, except that I've come to prefer the floorless design, reserving the modular 'nest' only for sleeping.
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I think that fully loaded means you are on it. 50-75 lbs. would be dire past infancy.
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The rear dry bag looke like its in a lot better position too as its fully on thebrack and closer to the saddle. I would imagine thebfarter itnis from the center of the bike, the more the weight is felt in terms of wobble or sway.