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Old 03-13-17, 12:47 PM   #26
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It was my understanding that dispersed camping on many public lands was once legal. At least that's what "The Rough Guide to Andalucía" stated. But I have read some more recent Internet stuff that it's not.

When I was touring there I stopped by the side of the road in the Tabernas Desert (where a lot of Spaghetti Westerns were filmed.) Some members of GC in a jeep-looking vehicle with a large machine gun mounted in the back drive buy and gave me some scary looking stares. I thought they were going to stop and give me the 3rd degree.
It's not always about what's legal. The Spanish police is probably more like the French police than the German, legal is not always a guarantee they'll allow you.

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It is worth keeping in mind while route planning that it is far more densely inhabited and built up than people from the middle of America/Canada often imagine, where wild camping may not even be practical.
Good point. There's probably a different perception of distance and space between Americans and Europeans.
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Old 03-13-17, 01:08 PM   #27
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I am from Mauritius where I have done wild camping before. I have been living in Germany for two months now. I have had a decent amount of experience with wild camping, and would rather do that on my tour so as to get out in the woods a little. Another reason is that I am forced to travel on a tight budget (€8 a day or less) as I am just fresh out of school.
OK, makes more sense now! Always helpful to know the whole story, it helps to make recommendations. Someone living in Europe and going on a tour for scenery in the back country is a different situation than someone from America flying over there for a first time and avoiding cities!

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As for the whole fire story, I guess I will have to be content with making a small wood stove fire before going into the forest to find a camping spot. Its a pity though, as a fire is my entertainment and warmth provider.
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I am tryong to find laws, but I find it very sad that people are no longer allowed to go into nature and spend a night.
If you are wild camping, and even if it is allowed (as it is many places), you are on either lands available for the public to use, or private lands. When people start camping and leaving litter, burnt fires, cutting/scavenging trees for fuel, etc on public lands, the land can go bad in a hurry. When people do it on private property, the property owners lose their generosity and stop the practice. You are allowed to still enjoy the outdoors, not allowing camp fires in the wilderness is one way they guarantee everyone is able to enjoy it in a natural state.

No wild camping anywhere I have seen it allow you to make a fire, especially big enough to entertain or heat a person. If you want to do that, you need to search out actual campgrounds that allow it, or risk getting caught and punished. I will be doing a trip through Iceland this summer, wild camping legally, and while I am sad that I can't have a campfire I understand the reasons and adhere to them.

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First time bike touring. A little experience with wild camping in Mauritius. I am tryong to find laws, but I find it very sad that people are no longer allowed to go into nature and spend a night.
I apologize for the tone of my post; I assumed you were from the U.S., and had some knowledge of the issues wildfires can cause.

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camp fires and wild camping sound like a bad idea anywhere.
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camp fires and wild camping sound like a bad idea anywhere.
The wild camping, not so much a bad idea. In many places it is expressly allowed. I've done it quite a bit in Northern Michigan, where you are legal so long as you are a mile away from official accommodation, not in a particular designation of state land, and don't stay for more than a certain number of nights without moving. Can be quite fun, can be the only way to really fish or hunt in certain areas.

That said, outside of an area where we had a nice rocky beach where it was tolerated (the area in general popular with weekend bonfires on the shore) I've never done it with a fire, nor would I in a wooded area. Even at that beach, I wouldn't do it when a burn advisory was in place. Furthermore, if illegally wild camping, all it does is announce your presence. Smoke in woods will get a visit from the forest services in a hurry, if dumb enough to do it in the day, and unless you are well and true off a road and hidden, fires are very visible at night.

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camp fires and wild camping sound like a bad idea anywhere.
Should say I am also planning wild camping in Iceland this summer for the majority of the trip, where it is expressly legal so long as you are three tents or less, you are not in a cultivated area, you remain only one night, and you are not next to a paid camping area and not in someone's yard without permission. That said, no fires will be built, only canister stoves.
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