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Old 03-20-17, 06:40 AM   #1
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OK, so here's the deal; I managed to score the deal of a lifetime on someone else's failed dream, bought, all new with boxes, a Troll frame, Brooks Saddle, 36H DT rims with SON front hub and Rohloff rear, Chris King headset, Avid disc brake set, couple of Rohloff discs, edelux light, all for about US$1600, all I really wanted was the frame. Pretty sure they weren't stolen, unless the thief really knew what they were doing.

Anyway, here's the dilemma; my partner and I always ride the same gear, near enough. The chances of another deal like this are pretty well zero, and the cost of replicating it is astronomical. Pretty well I've decided the CK headset can be sold, probably the Edelux light, as we already have great Axa lights, maybe the Brooks, unless I can convince her to bite the bullet and break in a leather saddle instead of whinging about her sore butt on every tour. But those wheels! I can probably sell them for more than the whole lot cost me... But then they were a never to be repeated deal.... but a free frame... I've already bought myself a Troll frame to match hers at least...
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Old 03-20-17, 06:51 AM   #2
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And I thought my practically new $1k decked out to tour Vaya 2 was a good deal! I'd let the other half know it's good to be different. My wife is more of a bargain hunter than I am and would never stand in the way of a good deal.
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Here's the conflict, if we keep them she gets them! Waaaaaaaa.....none for meeeeee!
Easier for her with shifting when stopped and stuff, there's been a few times when she's been caught out in the wrong gear climbing hills. That being said, she's flip flopping as well, because of it being a cost neutral to even positive deal for the frame.
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Here's the conflict, if we keep them she gets them! Waaaaaaaa.....none for meeeeee!
Easier for her with shifting when stopped and stuff, there's been a few times when she's been caught out in the wrong gear climbing hills. That being said, she's flip flopping as well, because of it being a cost neutral to even positive deal for the frame.
Remind her of the weight penalty associated with the Rhof and how you just want to "play" with it prior to selling it off, still for a profit. With a little luck she'll forget.
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Any particular practical reason you ride the same gear? I can't imagine trying to ride anything close to the same thing as the fiancee, whom is 50# less, 4 inches shorter, and generally carries less than me.

As to whom gets them, I have my stuff I find deals on, she generally has new stuff because she'd rather spend the money, go to a shop, and be done. If she didn't have a hand in the deal scoring, tell her too bad
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Anyway, here's the dilemma; my partner and I always ride the same gear, near enough.
So is this a policy for a purpose other than ensuring neither has nicer stuff than the other?
I get having similar tube sizes, same racks, same bolt fittings, and same valve styles as all those help reduce needing carry duplicate gearing.

But otherwise...if one has a canecreek headset and the other has a CK, or if one has a Shimano crankset and the other has an FSA...i dont follow why that matters.
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I'm not sure what the question is— Do you want to have the same components for parts interchangeability or is it a "yours is better than mine" thing?

My wife's bike is pretty costly compared to mine, but I built them both up with identical drivetrain components and wheels. This makes maintenance easier. However, that was not the primary reason I built them that way; it was because combination of components was a well proven(by us) drivetrain configuration, and would meet our needs.

My philosophy on bikes is to always make sure my wife has a great bike to ride. One that fits her well, and that she was involved in the selection process. My wife knows bikes very well, and other than the drivetrain, she picked every component. She even picked the new wheels that I had ordered for my bike before I could even use them

Point is: If you want to keep your wife (or kids) riding, get them good equipment.

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Any particular practical reason you ride the same gear? I can't imagine trying to ride anything close to the same thing as the fiancee, whom is 50# less, 4 inches shorter, and generally carries less than me.
+1 my wife is practically the same size as me, but has no interest in riding the same bike as me. I like a hub gear, she is fine with traditional gearing. I'll go with something slow and solid to carry weight. She wants to be lighter and faster. I like disc brakes. She has no interest. My tires keep getting fatter. Her tires remain the same or get thinner. I couldn't even get her to to buy a bike I would be interested in riding, let alone the same one as me.
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But the OP: I don't think I could pass up an opportunity to ride an a Rohloff. If only to see if you'd like it. Or if she'd like it. You say this is all for her bike, but all Trolls take 26" wheels, right? No reason why you couldn't share it and decide if one or both of you like it enough to keep it and maybe even get another.
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There's definitely been an element of standardisation to everything we have at the moment, sort of, we started out with old 90's mountain bikes and changed bits and bobs here and there, like ahead quill adapters and such like. Mostly it's easier to buy two of everything because of freight costs. Plus up until the Troll frames there was a kind of homebuilt ethos going on, with all the mods I'd done to racks and stuff, they had that expedition look, just by accident, we used to get asked a lot if we were riding around the world... I only bought the Trolls because I was sick of the clamp on front lowrider mounts and getting eyelets brazed into the forks on a $30 frame seemed silly, especially my frame which was pretty heavy.
But anyway, I think you've convinced me to keep 'em. At least one of us will look even more "world explorer" now, maybe it'll be an inspiration to tour Mongolia or something...
Oh yeah, there will be some yours is better than mine going on, probably resolved with some retail therapy....sigh.
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I got my Bike Friday from the company, Cheap, after the BeSpoke Buyer who ordered it, backed out over the Color on the Frame.
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A couple years ago I was camping in Bryce National Park. There was a couple in the next campsite from Europe, one of them had a Santos Travelmaster with Rohloff and the other had a Travelmaster with derailleurs. I do not know why they did not match, but they were a very happy couple with different gearing. And those were really nice bikes.

There is no reason you need to have the same. One of you might prefer one and the other the other. I think you should build up both kinds of bikes and your spouse should get the one they prefer. Why the spouse gets to choose? I once heard a very smart guy say that you will never be happier than your spouse. So, keep your spouse happy if you want to be happy.

Rohloff: 14 gears, no more and no less. Range is 526 percent. Each upshift is a gear increase of between 13 and 14 percent. Easier and faster shifting. But the shifter is designed for flat bars, so if you are using drop bars you are compromising. (I prefer the HubBub adapter for my shifter on my drop bars.) A bit heavier.

Derailleur: Many more gears are possible than 14. Range can exceed 526 percent. How far apart your gears are varies from one set of gears to another, but it is very possible to get your gears closer than 13 or 14 percent. Shifters are designed for both flat bars and drop bars. How light it is varies with component selection.

I have a Rohloff touring bike and a derailleur touring bike. My comparison above is the way I look at the differences, but some people might have additional thoughts. I like them both and use both regularly.
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Perhaps I'm the only Rohloff owner who will say this but I'd sell the Rohloff wheel and accessories, put on a decent drivetrain, and use the $1000 or so to travel. Rohloffs aren't worth it.
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ha... All I have to do with my Rohloff is tie my shoes, load the drinks and ride.
Same or better performance as deraillers without the drama and goofball shifting.
Sounds like the wife should get the first Rohloff.
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Oh yeah, there will be some yours is better than mine going on, probably resolved with some retail therapy....sigh.
Meh, build up your bike, let her try it out, there are the odds she won't even like it. It is amazing what people prefer when removed from their own connotations of what they must have.

Then again, it is also amazing how two people can be on the opposite end of caring, like my fiancee NEEDING pink bar tape, and me seeing an opportunity to save $5 and reuse her old tape on my bars that were getting the same plain black stuff anyhow!
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Meh, build up your bike, let her try it out, there are the odds she won't even like it. It is amazing what people prefer when removed from their own connotations of what they must have.

Then again, it is also amazing how two people can be on the opposite end of caring, like my fiancee NEEDING pink bar tape, and me seeing an opportunity to save $5 and reuse her old tape on my bars that were getting the same plain black stuff anyhow!
Yep, the problem solved itself "wow, this new bike seems really heavy and slow" "well, I did warn you" So 1.8kg of less weight later she's back to her regular set up. And I get an extra 1.8kg... not sure if I should be pleased or not.
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Any particular practical reason you ride the same gear? I can't imagine trying to ride anything close to the same thing as the fiancee, whom is 50# less, 4 inches shorter, and generally carries less than me.
That is what I was thinking. The wife/partner should get good equipment, but it doesn't have to be the same.
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Here's the conflict, if we keep them she gets them! Waaaaaaaa.....none for meeeeee!
Easier for her with shifting when stopped and stuff, there's been a few times when she's been caught out in the wrong gear climbing hills. That being said, she's flip flopping as well, because of it being a cost neutral to even positive deal for the frame.
I'm not sure about the Rohloff, but internal gear hubs can have troubles shifting under load. Some of the new cassettes with shift gates may actually shift better under moderate load. Of course, the internal hubs can shift while stopped, which is difficult for derailleurs.
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@Trevtassie I think you are lucky to find that bike and you should finish it up and ride it.
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I think most, if not all of us, wish we had the conflict you're in.
You might call the police to see if the stuff was reported stolen.
If it were mine it would likely be my new supped dupper around towner.

There's no need for matching bicycles, or matching jerseys. Of course unless matching underwear is also involved.

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For the weight penalty the Rohloff and discs are gonna need to be very good. That's the equivalent of 12 extra beers I'm carrying...
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and what is the dilemma or conflict?
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Yah, Rohloffs are tight for a few thousand miles, mine has 11,000 miles now. I do day centuries on it at 70 lbs, same with my SA 5w and soon with a 3 spd. Rohloffs or any IGH are NOT designed to shift under any load. Any such need or claims of are nonsense, including from their HQ. Good luck with her derailler system working with ZERO service for 11,000 miles, except for 3 oil drops.
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I'm not familiar with the term "shift gates"
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and what is the dilemma or conflict?
Stuff?
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Yeah, try again. No idea what you are saying. What is the issue you are conflicted about?
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