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Old 09-06-17, 11:02 PM   #1
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Can't Find 10-Speed Triple Road Crankset

I want to upgrade my stock crankset that came on my Surly Trucker about a year ago.

It is an Andel 48t/36t/26t 10-speed square taper crankset. It's fine and all, though I'd prefer a 24t granny gear, but even if I wanted to replace it with the same thing later down the road, I couldn't.

You can't buy from Andel. It appears they only supply manufacturers in bulk.

...And I've been searching and searching...

It's important to me that...
1.) It's a square taper.
And 2.) It's a road crankset for the sake of more ideal Q-factor.

I am willing to use a HollowTech II setup if I have to (still not my preference), but the Q-factor is something I'm not willing to sacrifice... if I have a choice... and I want a range similar to what I have... 48t or 46t at the top and preferably a 24t at bottom.

I can't find any known manufacturer of quality cranksets that makes one of these. And I am ok with building one by buying the cranks and chainrings individually, but I haven't had luck there either.

I don't know everything about cranks and chainrings, so feel free to educate me if I'm missing something.

I am just hoping someone can tell me where to find, or how to get, what I want.

Thanks for reading this lengthy shpeeww. (:

All the best,
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Old 09-06-17, 11:33 PM   #2
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I don't know what a "Q-factor" is, but last spring I bought a very nice Sugino crank - the model name is Alpina: square taper, 24-36-48 chainrings. It's a work of art and got me through my 900 mile loaded tour this summer. I'd suggest you check out Sugino. They've been making cranksets for decades and have some very nice ones.
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The surly uses bar end shifters right? Just get a sugino XD 600 triple which comes with 46/36/26 rings, though if you hunt around you can find one that comes with a 24 tooth inner stock, like this
Sugino XD500 110/74mm 48-36-24 teeth - Harris Cyclery bicycle shop - West Newton, Massachusetts.
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Ryan, serious question here--why the need to change the crankset that is only a year old?

What is your reasoning behind "upgrading"--aesthetics? (My assumption here, mostly because I wouldn't imagine the chain rings are worn out, and you can change the 26 to a 24 easily on your own).

I'll await your reasoning before getting into more aspects.
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...but even if I wanted to replace it with the same thing later down the road, I couldn't....
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collect...t-square-taper

http://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...surly-lht.html
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Ryan, serious question here--why the need to change the crankset that is only a year old?

What is your reasoning behind "upgrading"--aesthetics? (My assumption here, mostly because I wouldn't imagine the chain rings are worn out, and you can change the 26 to a 24 easily on your own).
I wonder the same thing. It should be simple to change the granny if low gearing is what you need. If it's aesthetics, my favorite ever touring crank is the Spécialités TA Zephyr, but that is out of production and almost impossible to find used. Sugino makes a crank that is a close second, though.
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I want to upgrade
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It's important to me that...
1.) It's a square taper.
And 2.) It's a road crankset for the sake of more ideal Q-factor.
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and I want a range similar to what I have... 48t or 46t at the top and preferably a 24t at bottom.
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I can't find any known manufacturer of quality cranksets that makes one of these.
What are you aiming for with the upgrade? If you're just after top-notch build quality, this is a very well-made and blingy square-taper triple.
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Just change the granny

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It is an Andel 48t/36t/26t 10-speed square taper crankset. It's fine and all, though I'd prefer a 24t granny gear,
Why don't you just change the granny gear for a 24t one?


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It's a road crankset for the sake of more ideal Q-factor.
Are you using clipless pedals? Shimano SPD allow you for a small Q-factor adjustment on the cleat. Time ATAC allows you foot to go further out or further in on the pedal...
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Old 09-07-17, 04:53 AM   #9
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Stronglight make a crank that pretty much fits your requirements.
Stronglight Impact triple chainset review - BikeRadar
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What's wrong with the Grad Prix you put so much time and effort into?:

http://www.bikeforums.net/touring/10...x-touring.html
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Old 09-07-17, 06:09 AM   #11
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Just so you know, your crankset doesn't know how many speeds are on your cassette.

A Sugino is always nice. But like others stated, if you just want the 24, then buy a 24 replacement ring.
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cranks have chainrings , so really they're..1, 2 or 3 speeds..

relevant is the tooth thickness and whether the chain will fit over it.

'Q' as a primaryCriteria, the old fashioned dead straight cranks , like TA Cyclotourist can be set up to barely clear the chainstays.







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What you want is called a "Trekking crankset." It is essentially a mountain triple with bigger chainrings. They are available in many brands and sizes. The one I used is a relatively cheap Shimano unit. Velo Orange and Sugino are also good choices.
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It might be pretty hard to find now but several years ago Campy made road triples that were 10 speed. I have one on one of my bikes, but I am using 8 speed chains on it. I bought the 10 speed crank because it was the only one I saw available at the time. The Campy triples have 74mm BCD for the granny gear, I am using 24T granny gear.

I took the attached photo in 2010, it is the Veloce level triple, it is labled 10 speed and I am using an aftermarket 24T granny gear.

The Campy triples take a different square taper (ISO) than most other brands that use (JIS). Thus you should use a Campy bottom bracket. The Campy bottom brackets use their own design for installation wrench, but the Orign8 bottom brackets that have the Campy taper use the same installation tool as the Shimano UN55 bottom brackets. For that reason in the future I plan to only buy the Origin8 bottom brackets for my four bikes that have Campy square taper triples.

Another possibility is Spa. I do not know if the Spa triples take 10 speed or not. Send them an e-mail and if you do you should also ask how much shipping to your location would be.
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What's wrong with the Grad Prix you put so much time and effort into?:

http://www.bikeforums.net/touring/10...x-touring.html
you did put a lot of time into that. Did you sell it and buy a used LHT?

and again, why the need to replace the crankset on a newish bike?

Enquiring Minds want to know.
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Personally, I'd just buy a 24 tooth chainring (which I have done on my Sugino and Shimano triple cranks). However, if you really must have a new crank, these are high-quality remakes of a vintage style. They're not cheap, but they do are almost too cool to believe.

https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-triple-crank/
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you did put a lot of time into that. Did you sell it and buy a used LHT?

and again, why the need to replace the crankset on a newish bike?

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Okay, y'all...
Sorry for the delay on responding.
After reading through these and learning a bit more with google, I had decided to just get a 24t inner-ring.
But it's a whole different story now.
When I was stripping the bike down to the frame, so that I can more cleanly and easily rust-proof the inside of it, I made a REAL dumby mistake...
I was talking on the phone while removing the crank arms with my crank remover tool, and on the second one I missed that it had unthreaded a lot while I was wrenching the internal part of the tool down.
...and when I looked down the whole tool was crooked in the crank arm.
I Stripped/Re-threaded the hell out of it...!

So...
I'm just getting a different crankset now...

I've changed my mind a bit as far as what I want goes...
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Stronglight
That Stronglight Impact is basically perfect by the way. Almost bought it, but...
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...What is your reasoning behind "upgrading"--aesthetics?
I do want a certain look.
Not classic, but more like a modern adventure/gravel bike. I really want a black mountain/trekking triple with Hollowtech II.
And everything on my Trucker is black except the frame.

Since I'm back to square one anyway, I'm liking the idea of a 44/32/24t for the places I realistically see myself riding and touring. (Lots of gravel and dirt)

I'm not too worried about Q-factor any more. I had a conversation about it with Rob, owner of Blackwater Bikes in Davis, WV.
...and I'm just gonna' focus on the pros of having the Hollowtech and accept that I'm too limited by the square taper.

Now that I have strayed away from what I told you all I wanted, I'm really having no trouble finding some good options that I'd be happy with.

Thank you for bearing with me. =)
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...As for my old Raleigh project...

It was fun. Learned a lot. Rode it and enjoyed it.
And I sold it to someone who appreciated it almost as much as I did.
I bought a new Disc Trucker after that.
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...I'm not too worried about Q-factor any more. ...
...and I'm just gonna' focus on the pros of having the Hollowtech and accept that I'm too limited by the square taper....
maybe the experts can help with this....

q-factor is the distance between the pedals, right?
so there's a couple ways to change the Q! while keeping
the pedals and cranks.

1. you can add some pedal extenders...i think they might be
called knee-savers or some such.

https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Pedal...CAZBBVTRP5SP5G

2. you can use a different length spindle bottom bracket, which
may or may not be compatible with your front derailler....
(remember, me not expert!)

plenty of options with square taper. i think shimano has various
spindles ranging from 103-126mm. other brands maybe more.....
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re hollowtech, watch parks tools vids etc and pay attention. You'll have to buy a new crank tool, but thats life.
Pretty easy to work on, if you follow directions and don't talk on the phone....;-)

and if you aren't making up the whole "screwed up the crank" story, welcome to the "have done stupid stuff" club, Im sure everyone here has done something dumb like this, I know I have.
and you won't be the last....

which side crank arm did you futz up? Chainring side or other one?
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which side crank arm did you futz up? Chainring side or other one?
It was the left (non-drive side) arm. It's ruined... but I'm stopping at the LBS this weekend, and I remember from somewhere (maybe this thread ) that QBP dealers should have access to order just that arm for replacing a stock part.

If they have it I'll probsbly just roll with this crankset for a while and maybe get a 24t ring for the low until I find something that's the perfectly suited upgrade without emptying my wallet.
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Deore outboard sets are around 100 bucks at times online, plus throw in the tool for maybe 20-25, I don't remember how much but around there.

But yes, changing to a 24 will be straight forward.
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maybe the experts can help with this....

q-factor is the distance between the pedals, right?
so there's a couple ways to change the Q! while keeping
the pedals and cranks.

1. you can add some pedal extenders...i think they might be
called knee-savers or some such.

https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Pedal...CAZBBVTRP5SP5G

2. you can use a different length spindle bottom bracket, which
may or may not be compatible with your front derailler....
(remember, me not expert!)

plenty of options with square taper. i think shimano has various
spindles ranging from 103-126mm. other brands maybe more.....
Yes, the Q factor is how wide the pedals are. I think you're trying to solve the problem in the opposite direction. A narrow Q factor is seldom the issue. It starts to become an issue with fat bikes and the like as the feet are spread too widely. That said, however, the Q factor needs to be considered with hub width, wheel dishing and cassette depth, all of which affect the chain line.
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I'm not convinced there is a big difference between 9, 10, and 11 speed cranks. If you can't find a good 10s crankset, go for a 9s crankset. Or even a more vintage one (although shift gates are nice).

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It was the left (non-drive side) arm. It's ruined... but I'm stopping at the LBS this weekend, and I remember from somewhere (maybe this thread ) that QBP dealers should have access to order just that arm for replacing a stock part.

If they have it I'll probsbly just roll with this crankset for a while and maybe get a 24t ring for the low until I find something that's the perfectly suited upgrade without emptying my wallet.
How picky are you about the perfect look?
Go down to your local bike co-op with the NDS crank arm and see if you can find one that looks like it.

Brand isn't important, as long as the attachment orientation is about right, and the Q-Factor is about right, and, of course, the length.

Also try E-Bay.

Keep in mind, most people only look at one side of the bike at a time. Nobody will notice a mismatched crankset.
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