Bike too long for a box 😄
07-20-18, 09:24 AM
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Bike too long for a box 😄
ok. I have a slight conundrum. We are flying next Thursday. Today I thought to start packing the bikes into bike boxes, Initially I thought I will remove just front wheel, pedals, tilt the handlebars and be done.
Well I had to remove the rear wheel too and the bike still doesn't fit. The fenders are the last part that's in a way and they are attached to the bike racks...sheesh I do not want to mess with the fenders.
So now I'm enroute to see if there is a few inches longer bicycle box. My current box is 56 x 35
Second alternative is we go cc touring and pack our road bikes instead.
Well I had to remove the rear wheel too and the bike still doesn't fit. The fenders are the last part that's in a way and they are attached to the bike racks...sheesh I do not want to mess with the fenders.
So now I'm enroute to see if there is a few inches longer bicycle box. My current box is 56 x 35
Second alternative is we go cc touring and pack our road bikes instead.
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I can't fit my fenders in my S&S case. After my last trip with that bike when I had several rainy days, two of which were on gravel roads, I bought some little shorty fenders that will at least provide half the coverage of my full fenders.
Good luck with the box.
Good luck with the box.
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If you want a reusable box for the future, check out Crateworks. You have to take off both wheels, but the box is big. I ship my 60cm LHT, racks, stove and fuel bottle. When I flew to Spain with one I had my bike, racks, tent, sleeping bag and helmet inside.
07-20-18, 11:11 AM
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the regulations call for a bicycle box. nowhere does it state the box must be perfectly rectangular. nowhere does it state the box must be one piece of cardboard.
you prolly just need a few inches on one end added, and this is probably only for part of one end, not the entire end section. depending on the airline maximum size, you may be able to leave the rear wheel on.
get you a suitable sized flatscreen teevee box....cut a hole in the big box with the wheel/fender sticking out....cut teevee box to fit over the wheel, with enough spare material to make tabs you can superglue, hotglue, or tape to the large box. (keeping in mind the overall maximum dimensions.)
you prolly just need a few inches on one end added, and this is probably only for part of one end, not the entire end section. depending on the airline maximum size, you may be able to leave the rear wheel on.
get you a suitable sized flatscreen teevee box....cut a hole in the big box with the wheel/fender sticking out....cut teevee box to fit over the wheel, with enough spare material to make tabs you can superglue, hotglue, or tape to the large box. (keeping in mind the overall maximum dimensions.)
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Yeah. That is currently an option I am considering as I swing in a hammock trying to calm down 😅
the regulations call for a bicycle box. nowhere does it state the box must be perfectly rectangular. nowhere does it state the box must be one piece of cardboard.
you prolly just need a few inches on one end added, and this is probably only for part of one end, not the entire end section. depending on the airline maximum size, you may be able to leave the rear wheel on.
get you a suitable sized flatscreen teevee box....cut a hole in the big box with the wheel/fender sticking out....cut teevee box to fit over the wheel, with enough spare material to make tabs you can superglue, hotglue, or tape to the large box. (keeping in mind the overall maximum dimensions.)
you prolly just need a few inches on one end added, and this is probably only for part of one end, not the entire end section. depending on the airline maximum size, you may be able to leave the rear wheel on.
get you a suitable sized flatscreen teevee box....cut a hole in the big box with the wheel/fender sticking out....cut teevee box to fit over the wheel, with enough spare material to make tabs you can superglue, hotglue, or tape to the large box. (keeping in mind the overall maximum dimensions.)
07-20-18, 11:16 AM
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western edge, we return ship for customers, via bike flights .. EZ Racer recumbent frames are just Long..
07-20-18, 11:26 AM
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this here "box" was cobbled together from a half dozen postal shipping boxes. made it six legs. china-singapore-bangkok-yangon and return.
jetstar and tiger fly A320's, allow boxes up to 2.1 meters long.
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A guy called John Meiners on CGOAB has an approx $10 make your own bike box to your own specification - you just need to check that the linear dimensions and final weight are ok with the airline - see John Meiners Bike Box
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A guy called John Meiners on CGOAB has an approx $10 make your own bike box to your own specification - you just need to check that the linear dimensions and final weight are ok with the airline - see John Meiners Bike Box
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OK. I got the bikes, roughly, in there...need to get some tape and do the magic where I cut the box for the oversized fender....but currently drinking beer and celebrating micro victory 😆
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I'm off to buy packing tape 🙂👍
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Whenever I put stuff in boxes that have pre-printed up arrows, I always tried to pack it so that the up arrows were the direction that I wanted up, not down.
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ok. I have a slight conundrum. We are flying next Thursday. Today I thought to start packing the bikes into bike boxes, Initially I thought I will remove just front wheel, pedals, tilt the handlebars and be done.
Well I had to remove the rear wheel too and the bike still doesn't fit. The fenders are the last part that's in a way and they are attached to the bike racks...sheesh I do not want to mess with the fenders.
So now I'm enroute to see if there is a few inches longer bicycle box. My current box is 56 x 35
Second alternative is we go cc touring and pack our road bikes instead.
Well I had to remove the rear wheel too and the bike still doesn't fit. The fenders are the last part that's in a way and they are attached to the bike racks...sheesh I do not want to mess with the fenders.
So now I'm enroute to see if there is a few inches longer bicycle box. My current box is 56 x 35
Second alternative is we go cc touring and pack our road bikes instead.
Also, try to find a box from an XL bike. My LBS tends to have a lot of boxes on Monday for bikes sold on the weekend. Get 2 boxes per bike, cut the sides off a box and use as inserts on the sides of the box with a bike in it. Keeps crap from poking thru. Also get some small boxes for parts to stick in main box (QR’s, pedals, etc,..). Also ask for the F wheel plastic axle caps, keeps the hubs from sticking thru the box. Tie-wrap to the hub. Also get the fork dropout spacer to keep the fork from getting squeezed as well as a R dropout spacer. Then take the R derailer off at the hanger bolt and let dangle, easy to screw back on, prevents the derailer from getting whacked and the hanger getting bent.
No sure of airline policy, but UPS uses a 130 total inch measurement,
length+width+height. Anything bigger is a surcharge (or was). Most bike boxes used to ship new bikes to a dealer are just under that measurement.
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What Steve B. warned: check with your airline before you get too deep into splicing boxes: American Airlines maximum is 115 inches, but jetBlue has recently gone to 80 inches. 80 inches means virtually any conventional bike box is a no go including the commonly used Trico case. So except for the S&S folks, bikes are basically banned on jetBlue.
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What Steve B. warned: check with your airline before you get too deep into splicing boxes: American Airlines maximum is 115 inches, but jetBlue has recently gone to 80 inches. 80 inches means virtually any conventional bike box is a no go including the commonly used Trico case. So except for the S&S folks, bikes are basically banned on jetBlue.
I often fly delta so I just checked their web site, it states:
Bicycles; non-motorized touring or single seat racing; are allowed as checked baggage on most flights, with the exception of certain Delta Connection® carriers.
- If you are checking a bicycle that does not exceed the size (62 linear inches/157 cm) and weight (70lbs/32kg) guidelines for normal checked baggage when folded, no oversized or overweight fees will apply.
- If the bicycle exceeds the normal baggage linear dimensions (62 linear inches) but must not exceed 115 linear inches (292 cm) — excess weight fee may apply if over 70lbs/32kg, but no oversized fees apply.
- Bicycles over 115 linear inches (292cm) and/or 100 lbs (45kg) will not be accepted.
- A limited liability release form must be signed by the passenger in the case that the bike is not properly packed.
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...ial-items.html
Thanks for the warning on JetBlue.
07-22-18, 11:55 AM
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I bought a box from KLM, at Shiphol airport.. it was as big as the amtrak boxes both wheels remained on..
reused an Amtrak box , it was folded up and on top of the Green Tortoise bus
from Eugene along with the bike..
Because the box looked funky , the folks at SFO, wanted to look inside,
sniff the empty MSR Fuel bottle, etc.
then they, UAL, gave me a new carton, about the same size ,
and I repacked..
...
reused an Amtrak box , it was folded up and on top of the Green Tortoise bus
from Eugene along with the bike..
Because the box looked funky , the folks at SFO, wanted to look inside,
sniff the empty MSR Fuel bottle, etc.
then they, UAL, gave me a new carton, about the same size ,
and I repacked..
...
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the boxes are in the living room and I've been staring at them yesterday. Then I created the cardboard covers that would go over the extending fenders realizing that it won't be difficult to do some damage during the shipping of these...I can imagine ... gonna have to take some risks - I accept that.
Furthermore I do not think the boxes will fit (two at once) into my honda civic with the back seat folded down. We'll see, but the contingency plan is to throw them on the roof with some hail mary's :-)
Even though the boxes should be all set according to British Airways regulations I still hope I won't get some pushback and extra charges from during the check in. I did check the regulations months ago...will have to revisit it again today just to make sure.
I packed everything I would take into the panniers and partially assessed if it will fit into the box with the bikes. Should be fine. Threw in a floor pump to be used during assembly at the destination. The pump will be left behind with the boxes (with my father who will welcome us to the airport)
I am now seriously thinking about upgrading my bikes to either retrofit S&S couplers or buying new/used frames that would have S&S.
Furthermore I do not think the boxes will fit (two at once) into my honda civic with the back seat folded down. We'll see, but the contingency plan is to throw them on the roof with some hail mary's :-)
Even though the boxes should be all set according to British Airways regulations I still hope I won't get some pushback and extra charges from during the check in. I did check the regulations months ago...will have to revisit it again today just to make sure.
I packed everything I would take into the panniers and partially assessed if it will fit into the box with the bikes. Should be fine. Threw in a floor pump to be used during assembly at the destination. The pump will be left behind with the boxes (with my father who will welcome us to the airport)
I am now seriously thinking about upgrading my bikes to either retrofit S&S couplers or buying new/used frames that would have S&S.
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the boxes are in the living room and I've been staring at them yesterday. Then I created the cardboard covers that would go over the extending fenders realizing that it won't be difficult to do some damage during the shipping of these...I can imagine ... gonna have to take some risks - I accept that.
Furthermore I do not think the boxes will fit (two at once) into my honda civic with the back seat folded down. We'll see, but the contingency plan is to throw them on the roof with some hail mary's :-)
Even though the boxes should be all set according to British Airways regulations I still hope I won't get some pushback and extra charges from during the check in. I did check the regulations months ago...will have to revisit it again today just to make sure.
I packed everything I would take into the panniers and partially assessed if it will fit into the box with the bikes. Should be fine. Threw in a floor pump to be used during assembly at the destination. The pump will be left behind with the boxes (with my father who will welcome us to the airport)
I am now seriously thinking about upgrading my bikes to either retrofit S&S couplers or buying new/used frames that would have S&S.
Furthermore I do not think the boxes will fit (two at once) into my honda civic with the back seat folded down. We'll see, but the contingency plan is to throw them on the roof with some hail mary's :-)
Even though the boxes should be all set according to British Airways regulations I still hope I won't get some pushback and extra charges from during the check in. I did check the regulations months ago...will have to revisit it again today just to make sure.
I packed everything I would take into the panniers and partially assessed if it will fit into the box with the bikes. Should be fine. Threw in a floor pump to be used during assembly at the destination. The pump will be left behind with the boxes (with my father who will welcome us to the airport)
I am now seriously thinking about upgrading my bikes to either retrofit S&S couplers or buying new/used frames that would have S&S.
Packing a bike for shipping is not a big deal, especially when you have SKS fenders with the quick release safety mounting system.
I recently packed 4 bikes for a trip to Europe, and reinstalling the fenders was about a 5 minute job.
07-23-18, 08:00 AM
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In the past that's all I've used. Wheels, racks, fenders all would stay on. Bars turned, pedals removed, tape it shut... 10 minutes per bike. You'd use the bike as your baggage cart rolling it loaded all the way to the airport baggage check in. Much easier than finding a cart to move a pre-packaged bike shop size box (along with your additional bags) through the terminal. The installed front wheel would offer some structural protection to the bike and would be less likely to be pressed into the frame during transit.
Ten minutes of re-assembly at the destination, throw the box away and ride right through the electric doors at the terminal!.
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I considered the possibility of that option but just couldn't face the possibility of arriving and facing uninformed employee unwilling to accommodate in this direction.
That's how I've done it with many different airlines. It's been a few years since I've flown with a bike. Have airlines stopped selling the huge Amtrak size boxes at the ticket counter?
In the past that's all I've used. Wheels, racks, fenders all would stay on. Bars turned, pedals removed, tape it shut... 10 minutes per bike. You'd use the bike as your baggage cart rolling it loaded all the way to the airport baggage check in. Much easier than finding a cart to move a pre-packaged bike shop size box (along with your additional bags) through the terminal. The installed front wheel would offer some structural protection to the bike and would be less likely to be pressed into the frame during transit.
Ten minutes of re-assembly at the destination, throw the box away and ride right through the electric doors at the terminal!.
In the past that's all I've used. Wheels, racks, fenders all would stay on. Bars turned, pedals removed, tape it shut... 10 minutes per bike. You'd use the bike as your baggage cart rolling it loaded all the way to the airport baggage check in. Much easier than finding a cart to move a pre-packaged bike shop size box (along with your additional bags) through the terminal. The installed front wheel would offer some structural protection to the bike and would be less likely to be pressed into the frame during transit.
Ten minutes of re-assembly at the destination, throw the box away and ride right through the electric doors at the terminal!.
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I packed everything I would take into the panniers and partially assessed if it will fit into the box with the bikes. Should be fine. Threw in a floor pump to be used during assembly at the destination. The pump will be left behind with the boxes (with my father who will welcome us to the airport)
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I packed everything I would take into the panniers and partially assessed if it will fit into the box with the bikes. Should be fine. Threw in a floor pump to be used during assembly at the destination. The pump will be left behind with the boxes (with my father who will welcome us to the airport)
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The scales in Europe will be in kg, not pounds. Some airlines have a 20 kg limit instead of 23.
I can't fit my fenders into the case, after my trip where I rode several days on gravel in the rain, I have since bought some shorty fenders that offer some coverage, but not as good as full fenders. But they should be better than nothing on my next trip.
Packing up my S&S bike is quite time consuming. Even the water bottle cages have to come off. My bikes are on the large side, that means I have to pull off both crank arms too. I worked in a bike shop before I went to college, I built up most of my bikes from the parts. Thus, that much disassembly is a task that I am comfortable in doing, but it is time consuming.
Besides cost savings on a plane, you have already figured out one other big advantage of a S&S case, the ability to get to and from an airport without the hassle of a large bike box. Many of the cabs in my community are Prius hybrids, my S&S case and a large duffel fits just fine in the Prius trunk. I do not have to ask a friend with a mini-van to haul me to and from the airport.
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the boxes are in the living room and I've been staring at them yesterday. Then I created the cardboard covers that would go over the extending fenders realizing that it won't be difficult to do some damage during the shipping of these...I can imagine ... gonna have to take some risks - I accept that. ....
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That's how I've done it with many different airlines. It's been a few years since I've flown with a bike. Have airlines stopped selling the huge Amtrak size boxes at the ticket counter?
In the past that's all I've used. Wheels, racks, fenders all would stay on. Bars turned, pedals removed, tape it shut... 10 minutes per bike. You'd use the bike as your baggage cart rolling it loaded all the way to the airport baggage check in. Much easier than finding a cart to move a pre-packaged bike shop size box (along with your additional bags) through the terminal. The installed front wheel would offer some structural protection to the bike and would be less likely to be pressed into the frame during transit.
Ten minutes of re-assembly at the destination, throw the box away and ride right through the electric doors at the terminal!.
In the past that's all I've used. Wheels, racks, fenders all would stay on. Bars turned, pedals removed, tape it shut... 10 minutes per bike. You'd use the bike as your baggage cart rolling it loaded all the way to the airport baggage check in. Much easier than finding a cart to move a pre-packaged bike shop size box (along with your additional bags) through the terminal. The installed front wheel would offer some structural protection to the bike and would be less likely to be pressed into the frame during transit.
Ten minutes of re-assembly at the destination, throw the box away and ride right through the electric doors at the terminal!.