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    New bicycle ordered finally!

    I am a happy camper/tourer today! I just got off the phone with Robert Beckman and finally placed an order for a Sakkit 26 Expedition with racks and panniers after spending the last few months researching and with the occasional conversation with Mr. Beckman. I am looking at a long 2-3 year tour in about 3 or 4 years so Im able to wait for the bicycle to be built wonderfully! Still have my trusty Trek 520 which has been relegated lately to a commuter as I sold my car several months ago (one of the reasons I can afford his bicycles at this point) so I can still tour until the Sakkit comes in. I guess I just had to tell someone, my friends in my area dont understand even spending $500 on a bicycle, so Theyd just laugh
    Oh well, today is a good day!

    I still have some things to take care of like getting a real proper fit measurement and deciding If I want cable actuated disc brakes or not, he recomended them for the type of tour I have planned. Also what other options I want, mostly It's been planned out for a good while, but still some things to think about.

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    Congratulations!!

    I, too, have a Sakkit on order (expect to get it this fall), and I know how you feel.

    -George

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    Have you received your Sakkit from RBD yet?
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    Not yet. I have no idea when he'll get to it; I guess I just have to be patient.

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    Just make sure you the take the trip you planned. Several years ago in between jobs I bought a Waterford 1900 withTubus racks and High end Madden panniers. Probably not the bucks you laid out, but sizable. The trip never happened - I let myself get talked into various consulting jobs, winter came, then a new job I couldn't turn down. So make sure that dream happens - for all of us that got side tracked from our great adventures.

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    New Bicycle Ordered Finally

    So - how is your Sakkit? Having spent a large amount of time on the Beckman website today and then talking to Bob Beckman (I want his panniers!), I am hugely impressed with pretty much everything he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
    I am a happy camper/tourer today! I just got off the phone with Robert Beckman and finally placed an order for a Sakkit 26” Expedition with racks and panniers after spending the last few months researching and with the occasional conversation with Mr. Beckman. I am looking at a long 2-3 year tour in about 3 or 4 years so I’m able to wait for the bicycle to be built wonderfully! t.
    Beckman gets pretty busy these days, I hope you didn't tell Bob you don't need the bike for two or three years, because that might be when you get it

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    I figured it would be faster to learn to build my own! Got my rack tube bender prototype I up and running today. If I can keep the bends lined up, I should be golden. If not I will have to build a significantly more complicated rig.

    Bike tubing is on it's way. I bought enough for 2-3 bikes, should allow me to dial in the performance. It's like an america's cup race. You can pretend you know how the design will come out, but it's best to have a multi-boat budget before you get started.

    In the end my bike won't be as good as a Sakkit, that's all about being enough of a genius to satisfy other people.

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    Robert Beckman Racks Have Arrived

    I am happy to report that my Beckman racks have been received. The Beckman Panniers that I have purchased off of ebay were designed to fit Bruce Gordon racks so I have to re-position the hooks to fit the Beckman racks. I ordered front and rear racks. The front racks have a fitting to hold 2 Schmidt E-6 lights. When I have the racks mounted on the Sakkit, I will post some photos. For those interested, I ordered the racks on 12/1 2005 and received them on 6/7/2006. They were not cheap, almost a grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkitfan
    I am happy to report that my Beckman racks have been received. The Beckman Panniers that I have purchased off of ebay were designed to fit Bruce Gordon racks so I have to re-position the hooks to fit the Beckman racks. I ordered front and rear racks. The front racks have a fitting to hold 2 Schmidt E-6 lights. When I have the racks mounted on the Sakkit, I will post some photos. For those interested, I ordered the racks on 12/1 2005 and received them on 6/7/2006. They were not cheap, almost a grand.
    The racks alone were almost a thousand dollars? Do I understand you correctly?

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    I know I know it sounds like a lot. The tubing costs me about 5 dollars a foot which is pretty ridiculous, one can find it for the 2-3 dollars a foot plus shipping etc... It's marked as made in Germany, which is prety posh compared to the Asian tubes in a lot of bikes. That puts it between one half and twice what nice frame tubes costs, not exotic tubes. There is about 10-15 feet of tubing in one rack, about the same as in a frame. There are a handful of custom parts, like dropouts, joints for lights, and straps.

    There are a bunch of bends, struts, and copes. There are between 20 and 25 joints in each rack. Beckman, for some reason, fillet brazes these. The fact they are small doesn't make them easier to braze. The racks are powdercoated, which is not dead cheap in small quatities.

    These are custom racks though obviously the basics are pretty stock, which is to say he probably has a fair investment in jigs benders and automatic coping machines. But I can't really see any reason why they should sell for less than what a Surly frame sells for other than the fact they only weight a fraction, but steel weight is not the major factor here. Somewhat similar material costs, more time in the joints and more joints, custom. so 400+ is a bit of a gift actually.

    Why do people pay that much? The reasons is to get a really tough rack, that fits both the paniers and the bike perfectly. Most racks and paniers are designed to work on the smallest bikes out there. These racks are custom, and will fit whatever you want them to. Beckman's priorites seem to run: Paniers, racks, and then bikes. If you fit bikes off the rack you could buy a decent frame and the beckman racks and paniers for what some people pay for custom frames alone. It really isn't that much, but it is upper end.

    Perhaps the fastest way to look at it is you pay 100-200 for stock 4130 racks from Surly, Nito or Gordon. Custom always costs a little more.

    I'd love to see some picture of your rig Sakkitfan, when you get it set up. There are very few pictures of Beckman stuff out there.

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    Beckman Racks

    Correct, I had them made to my specs.

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    Beckman Racks

    I am touring in Vermont starting this weekend so I will have pictures of my rig. I ordered the front rack with a headlight fitting for twin Schmidt E6 lights. The rear rack is on the bike but I need to cut the upper mount tubes to size with a tube cutter. This will be the Sakkit's maiden voyage since I built it so here goes.

    Mike

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    Well, I am now giving up on ever seeing my Sakkit.

    After 2 and a half years of waiting, and dozens of broken promises, it's clear that if I want a heavy tourer, I'll need to go somewhere else.

    Last November, Beckman told me the frame was completed, and that it was ready for paint, and thus, the final payment was due, so I sent it off, and got ready for my new frame. A few weeks later I called to get the delivery date, and Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    A few weeks later Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    A few weeks after that Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    I'm going to try to get my final payment back, on the grounds it was not supposed to be paid until the bike was ready for paint, but I'm probably out the $4000+.

    An expensive lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBaby
    Well, I am now giving up on ever seeing my Sakkit.

    After 2 and a half years of waiting, and dozens of broken promises, it's clear that if I want a heavy tourer, I'll need to go somewhere else.

    Last November, Beckman told me the frame was completed, and that it was ready for paint, and thus, the final payment was due, so I sent it off, and got ready for my new frame. A few weeks later I called to get the delivery date, and Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    A few weeks later Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    A few weeks after that Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    I'm going to try to get my final payment back, on the grounds it was not supposed to be paid until the bike was ready for paint, but I'm probably out the $4000+.

    An expensive lesson.
    And with that, you're just going to walk away? You paid this bum for a bike and you didn't get a bike. What you got was strung along. I don't know where you live, but where I live that's fraud. Where is this scam artist located? Call that state's AG office and go from there. I'd be damned if i'd let this guy walk with my money!
    I'm just trying to be the person my dog thinks I am.

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    That's rediculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBaby View Post
    Well, I am now giving up on ever seeing my Sakkit.

    After 2 and a half years of waiting, and dozens of broken promises, it's clear that if I want a heavy tourer, I'll need to go somewhere else.

    Last November, Beckman told me the frame was completed, and that it was ready for paint, and thus, the final payment was due, so I sent it off, and got ready for my new frame. A few weeks later I called to get the delivery date, and Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    A few weeks later Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    A few weeks after that Beckman told me he wasn't actually done, but would be real soon.

    I'm going to try to get my final payment back, on the grounds it was not supposed to be paid until the bike was ready for paint, but I'm probably out the $4000+.

    An expensive lesson.
    Any progress on this? Did you get your bike or your money back???....
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    Nope. Beckman is still promising I'll see it any day now. I'll be doing my monthly checkin in a few days.

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    Crazy. I hope it works out for you in the not too distant future.
    safe riding - Vik
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    You are foolish for letting it go on this long. Contact the Attorney General in the appropriate jurisdiction and get your money back. If you wait until he's out of business then you'll likely lose everything. Post the details of your contract and maybe someone here can help.

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    After a great many trials and tribulations, I have finally received the Sakkit (plus racks and bags). I've taken one 10 mile test ride, and I like it a lot better than the LHT that was holding all the components. I still have to fiddle a bit with gearing (the Sakkit's chainstays spread earlier than the LHT's, and this affects chainline unless I get a smaller innermost chainring), but it's a beautiful bike.
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    Just to clarify, you ordered this frame & it took over THREE YEARS to be delivered ?

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    It took 4 1/2 years.

    My problem was that BB said it would take considerably less (like 3 1/2 years less), which meant that I never knew when, or if, it would arrive.

    Current lead time on a Vanilla is well over 5 years, but at least you know that up front.

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    WOW, & I thought things were slow in Spain!!!

    Still, congratulations, hope you enjoy, "the best things come to those who wait"

    (I haven't got that kinda patience )

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    Nice bike! No fenders yet?

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