Your ideal light touring setup
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Your ideal light touring setup
I'm building up a bike and would like peoples' opinions and suggestions about parts.
I'm 200lbs (hopefully heading southwards) and will use the bike for randonnees and
light touring. One day I intend to use it to cross the US either supported or unsupported
carrying no more than 30lbs on the back. What, gears, hubs and wheels would you suggest
I'm thinking about the following
Sugino 46-36-26 chainset
Shimano XTR front and rear derailleurs
Shimano 11-32 cassette
Shimano XTR hubs with Velocity Dynad or Mavic MA3 wheels (would White Industries or Paul Wood be worth it?)
Dura Ace bar end shifters
Shimano 600 long reach caliper brakes
I'm 200lbs (hopefully heading southwards) and will use the bike for randonnees and
light touring. One day I intend to use it to cross the US either supported or unsupported
carrying no more than 30lbs on the back. What, gears, hubs and wheels would you suggest
I'm thinking about the following
Sugino 46-36-26 chainset
Shimano XTR front and rear derailleurs
Shimano 11-32 cassette
Shimano XTR hubs with Velocity Dynad or Mavic MA3 wheels (would White Industries or Paul Wood be worth it?)
Dura Ace bar end shifters
Shimano 600 long reach caliper brakes
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That sounds like a pretty good mix, I'd probably drop from the XTR to XT, or maybe even LX on the shimano components. The XTR is very nice, but you aren't really getting that great of an improvement in terms of cost. Sort of like Ultegra vs Dura-Ace. A lot more money for the Dura-Ace, better finish, a tiny bit lighter, but not much real difference in performance for 99.9 percent.
What are you thinking about for a frame to hold all these fine parts together with? Inquiring minds want to know....
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What are you thinking about for a frame to hold all these fine parts together with? Inquiring minds want to know....
Hope I could Help,
Steve W.
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Originally Posted by Mentor58
That sounds like a pretty good mix, I'd probably drop from the XTR to XT, or maybe even LX on the shimano components. The XTR is very nice, but you aren't really getting that great of an improvement in terms of cost. Sort of like Ultegra vs Dura-Ace. A lot more money for the Dura-Ace, better finish, a tiny bit lighter, but not much real difference in performance for 99.9 percent.
What are you thinking about for a frame to hold all these fine parts together with? Inquiring minds want to know....
Hope I could Help,
Steve W.
What are you thinking about for a frame to hold all these fine parts together with? Inquiring minds want to know....
Hope I could Help,
Steve W.
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Believe me, you'll appreciate dry clothes at the end of a wet day because you got good panniers much more than the 4 oz of weight you'll save with XTR Components.
Steve
Who made up the weight, probably about right however.
Steve
Who made up the weight, probably about right however.
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why go with caliper breaks over say, cantilevers or disc?
Also, that does seem very low geared for a light touring bike, but whatever floats your boat I guess
Also, that does seem very low geared for a light touring bike, but whatever floats your boat I guess
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Hi,
I have a Gunnar Sport set up as a lite tourer.
I am not a fan of MA3. But talk to the guy who is going to build your wheels. He can suggest something that suits you. I have a lite touring bike and have been using Mavic CXP33 rims. Next year I am going to Mavic touring rims. I will miss the speed, but
I think the ride will be a little nicer. But the CXP33 would be a good choice for a randonee.
I like Brooks saddles. Check out the new Selle An-Atomica saddles. I have been thinking of trying one of those. I like Rivendell Ruffy Tuffy tires.
Why Sugino? They make a nice crank, but I don't understand the thinking behind the expensive hubs and the budget crank.
Grab onto a bunch of different handlebars. I grabbed a Ritchey BioMax Pro ($60) and I really liked it. I'm a big fan of Sidi shoes.
I love Grip Shapes. https://www.offthefront.com/sports.htm
They are lite and make a broader place to rest your hands.
And I double wrap with gel tape.
Oh, and if you are touring, for heaven's sake get panniers. You'll beat yourself to death with a backpack. My Tubus Fly rack weighs 12 ounces, and Jannd is making lightweight panniers now.
I have a Gunnar Sport set up as a lite tourer.
I am not a fan of MA3. But talk to the guy who is going to build your wheels. He can suggest something that suits you. I have a lite touring bike and have been using Mavic CXP33 rims. Next year I am going to Mavic touring rims. I will miss the speed, but
I think the ride will be a little nicer. But the CXP33 would be a good choice for a randonee.
I like Brooks saddles. Check out the new Selle An-Atomica saddles. I have been thinking of trying one of those. I like Rivendell Ruffy Tuffy tires.
Why Sugino? They make a nice crank, but I don't understand the thinking behind the expensive hubs and the budget crank.
Grab onto a bunch of different handlebars. I grabbed a Ritchey BioMax Pro ($60) and I really liked it. I'm a big fan of Sidi shoes.
I love Grip Shapes. https://www.offthefront.com/sports.htm
They are lite and make a broader place to rest your hands.
And I double wrap with gel tape.
Oh, and if you are touring, for heaven's sake get panniers. You'll beat yourself to death with a backpack. My Tubus Fly rack weighs 12 ounces, and Jannd is making lightweight panniers now.
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I second that on the brakes. Calipers suck going downhill in the rain.
I would gear as low as possible on a tourbike, never know when you might wish you had it.
I would gear as low as possible on a tourbike, never know when you might wish you had it.
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Originally Posted by javna_golina
why go with caliper breaks over say, cantilevers or disc?
Also, that does seem very low geared for a light touring bike, but whatever floats your boat I guess
Also, that does seem very low geared for a light touring bike, but whatever floats your boat I guess
TA, or Shimano Hollowtech instead. The gearing is low, but I wanted a 32 sprocket for insurance going over long steep climbs. If I was to go with a 27 as the lowest it would open up more options I suppose.
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actually, the gearing isn't that low, for comparison, at 90 rpm, a 52x12 gets you 34 MPH, while a 46X12 gets you 30 MPH. In terms of Gear inches, it's 127 inches vs 112. I'm convinced that most riders have gears that they can't really use 98% of the time, they just can't spin that fast on the flats, and going down hill, i'm just as likely to let gravity do its job. I can honestly say that there have been very few times that I've wished I had a higher gear, that I'm spun out, and can't go any faster. I can honestly say that I've had a number of times that a bit lower would be really appreciated.
I have my own take on it. If I'm doing a training ride, I'll let my legs blow up on a hill, knowing that I've got time to let them recover and get stronger before I ride hard again. On a tour, I need that engine working strong day after day after day... I am willing to spin slowly up the hill and spare the legs.
You'll find what works, Sheldon Brown's Gear Calculator is great for playing 'what-if' games.
Just my opinion, as valid as you want it to be....
Steve W.
I have my own take on it. If I'm doing a training ride, I'll let my legs blow up on a hill, knowing that I've got time to let them recover and get stronger before I ride hard again. On a tour, I need that engine working strong day after day after day... I am willing to spin slowly up the hill and spare the legs.
You'll find what works, Sheldon Brown's Gear Calculator is great for playing 'what-if' games.
Just my opinion, as valid as you want it to be....
Steve W.
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Originally Posted by hillyman
I would gear as low as possible on a tourbike, never know when you might wish you had it.
Originally Posted by Mentor58
I can honestly say that there have been very few times that I've wished I had a higher gear, that I'm spun out, and can't go any faster. I can honestly say that I've had a number of times that a bit lower would be really appreciated.
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If you are touring with less than 30 lbs, you can use about any bike you want. No need for a custom frame unless you just want one (a good enough reason in itself!).
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yes but this is a light tourer, not a fully loaded tourer.
Go with whatever suits you, but me personally if I was building a light touring bike I'd gear it a little higher. If I was building a fully loaded touring bike though, I'd use that gearing.
But we may have different definitions
Go with whatever suits you, but me personally if I was building a light touring bike I'd gear it a little higher. If I was building a fully loaded touring bike though, I'd use that gearing.
But we may have different definitions
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Originally Posted by javna_golina
yes but this is a light tourer, not a fully loaded tourer.
Go with whatever suits you, but me personally if I was building a light touring bike I'd gear it a little higher. If I was building a fully loaded touring bike though, I'd use that gearing.
But we may have different definitions
Go with whatever suits you, but me personally if I was building a light touring bike I'd gear it a little higher. If I was building a fully loaded touring bike though, I'd use that gearing.
But we may have different definitions
I know that for me, I'm most comfy on multiday rides with lower than normal gearing (at least by most folks norms). One thing is that for me my natural cadence is around 100 or so, and any time I get much below 90 on the flats I think I must be grinding. Because of this, I like having the lower gears, it works for me. If you're not quite as enthuastic a 'spinner' as I am, well there is bound to be a combination that please you too. I'm actually hoping this winter to spend some time on the trainer working on lower RPMs to build a bit more strength there.
Build what you think you need, and after some miles you may want to change things. Cassettes are cheap and easy, chainrings too. As for me, I'd love to put together something like my first tourbike, I think it was a old Trek, (may have been a Peugeot, I forget). Had it set up with a half-step + Granny, and if I could duplicate that now, I would. Simple to shift (for me), drove my friends crazy.
In other words, your Roast Beef and Gravy may be my Liver and Onions.
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Who is in a rambling mood tonight.
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Originally Posted by javna_golina
yes but this is a light tourer, not a fully loaded tourer.
Go with whatever suits you, but me personally if I was building a light touring bike I'd gear it a little higher. If I was building a fully loaded touring bike though, I'd use that gearing.
But we may have different definitions
Go with whatever suits you, but me personally if I was building a light touring bike I'd gear it a little higher. If I was building a fully loaded touring bike though, I'd use that gearing.
But we may have different definitions
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I don't understand the comment about sugino being a budget crankset - some are but not all and some of their vintage 110 bolt pattern cold forged are better than much of what is produced today and going fast on ebay when they come up. I even have a set on a Bilenky Signature tandem with RaceFace rings. A good set of cantilevers are hard to beat - I am presently using Lx on my tourer with Mavic brake levers - but I have Bikes with Pauls, Pedersons, and lots of camy, and v-brakes. As for hubs it depends what mileage and weight you are planning to carry - I presently own Hugi, White Industry hubs, but my tourer is built up on xt hubs. I agree with everyone's comments good racks are hard to beat and worth the money - I prefer the tubus cargo and I don't remember the model of my front rack. Also I agree with the comments that good panniers are also worth the money in investing. A lot of this is just personal preferene - especially things like bike seats and tires
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I don't understand the comment about sugino being a budget crankset - some are but not all and some of their vintage 110 bolt pattern cold forged are better than much of what is produced today and going fast on ebay when they come up. I even have a set on a Bilenky Signature tandem with RaceFace rings. A good set of cantilevers are hard to beat - I am presently using Lx on my tourer with Mavic brake levers - but I have Bikes with Pauls, Pedersons, and lots of camy, and v-brakes. As for hubs it depends what mileage and weight you are planning to carry - I presently own Hugi, White Industry hubs, but my tourer is built up on xt hubs. I agree with everyone's comments good racks are hard to beat and worth the money - I prefer the tubus cargo and I don't remember the model of my front rack. Also I agree with the comments that good panniers are also worth the money in investing. A lot of this is just personal preferene - especially things like bike seats and tires
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Originally Posted by vosyer
I don't understand the comment about sugino being a budget crankset - some are but not all and some of their vintage 110 bolt pattern cold forged are better than much of what is produced today and going fast on ebay when they come up. I even have a set on a Bilenky Signature tandem with RaceFace rings. A good set of cantilevers are hard to beat - I am presently using Lx on my tourer with Mavic brake levers - but I have Bikes with Pauls, Pedersons, and lots of camy, and v-brakes. As for hubs it depends what mileage and weight you are planning to carry - I presently own Hugi, White Industry hubs, but my tourer is built up on xt hubs. I agree with everyone's comments good racks are hard to beat and worth the money - I prefer the tubus cargo and I don't remember the model of my front rack. Also I agree with the comments that good panniers are also worth the money in investing. A lot of this is just personal preferene - especially things like bike seats and tires
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Originally Posted by Mentor58
Yepper, and as I posted on another thread along the same lines, that is one of the nice things about touring folks in general. We view the whole smorgastborg of parts, and pick what will fill up our plate just nicely. Mtb RD with a road triple FD, Suntour Barends with Disc brakes, Leather seat with a showercap to keep it dry. All are good eats at the 'house of touring'. If somebody else wants the straight road menu, welcome aboard too. Somebody else is going for 26 inch wheels, 40 spoke hubs, gearing that will pull a tractor from a bog hole, well that's the diet for them.
I know that for me, I'm most comfy on multiday rides with lower than normal gearing (at least by most folks norms). One thing is that for me my natural cadence is around 100 or so, and any time I get much below 90 on the flats I think I must be grinding. Because of this, I like having the lower gears, it works for me. If you're not quite as enthuastic a 'spinner' as I am, well there is bound to be a combination that please you too. I'm actually hoping this winter to spend some time on the trainer working on lower RPMs to build a bit more strength there.
Build what you think you need, and after some miles you may want to change things. Cassettes are cheap and easy, chainrings too. As for me, I'd love to put together something like my first tourbike, I think it was a old Trek, (may have been a Peugeot, I forget). Had it set up with a half-step + Granny, and if I could duplicate that now, I would. Simple to shift (for me), drove my friends crazy.
In other words, your Roast Beef and Gravy may be my Liver and Onions.
Steve W.
Who is in a rambling mood tonight.
I know that for me, I'm most comfy on multiday rides with lower than normal gearing (at least by most folks norms). One thing is that for me my natural cadence is around 100 or so, and any time I get much below 90 on the flats I think I must be grinding. Because of this, I like having the lower gears, it works for me. If you're not quite as enthuastic a 'spinner' as I am, well there is bound to be a combination that please you too. I'm actually hoping this winter to spend some time on the trainer working on lower RPMs to build a bit more strength there.
Build what you think you need, and after some miles you may want to change things. Cassettes are cheap and easy, chainrings too. As for me, I'd love to put together something like my first tourbike, I think it was a old Trek, (may have been a Peugeot, I forget). Had it set up with a half-step + Granny, and if I could duplicate that now, I would. Simple to shift (for me), drove my friends crazy.
In other words, your Roast Beef and Gravy may be my Liver and Onions.
Steve W.
Who is in a rambling mood tonight.
And nun, it seems we do have different definitons of what a light touring bike is, I see why you want the lower gears if you're carrying camping gear
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Originally Posted by Mentor58
...The XTR is very nice, but you aren't really getting that great of an improvement in terms of cost...
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Originally Posted by javna_golina
You know I do like that about tourists, you're very open minded with bikes and components. I share the same mindset though I haven't really toured, and bike shop employees always give me bemused looks when I describe what kind of bike I want.
And nun, it seems we do have different definitons of what a light touring bike is, I see why you want the lower gears if you're carrying camping gear
And nun, it seems we do have different definitons of what a light touring bike is, I see why you want the lower gears if you're carrying camping gear
1) weekend day ride in the country with a saddlebag, climb a few hills and stop a a pub for lunch and a beer.
so a "randonnee", or a ramble if you can do that on a bike.
2) an extended tour carrying ultralight camping equimpment and keeeping the load below 30lbs.
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I stand corrected. I didn't realize that the XTR was a significant upgrade in features over the XT. I just pulled the tech sheet on it from Shimano, didn't see anything about the adjustable spring tension, but that may just mean that my eyes are tired and I missed it.
It does look nice however. My only problem with almost all of Shimanos stuff is that most of it is low-normal, and since I use brifters, that would get me all confabulated. I can just imagine my thought process with one bike that shifts backwards from all the rest when I'm hot, tired, and chugging up the endless hill. 'ok, I want to go to a larger cog in back, so it's sweep the brake, no wait... it's click the lever... or which is it ARRRGH'
I'm wondering if it may not be a good idea to stock up on a couple of high-normal RDs while they are still easy to get.
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It does look nice however. My only problem with almost all of Shimanos stuff is that most of it is low-normal, and since I use brifters, that would get me all confabulated. I can just imagine my thought process with one bike that shifts backwards from all the rest when I'm hot, tired, and chugging up the endless hill. 'ok, I want to go to a larger cog in back, so it's sweep the brake, no wait... it's click the lever... or which is it ARRRGH'
I'm wondering if it may not be a good idea to stock up on a couple of high-normal RDs while they are still easy to get.
Steve W.