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Old 11-16-05, 11:11 AM   #1
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Maps that are OK to copy to an online journal.

Just wondering if any folks have had success getting permision to use and alter (ie adding a route layover) to Maps copied from online sources (or other?).

This would be for an online journal (at Crazyguonabike), without any commercial interests whatsoever (no adds, etc). I would reference/acknowledge the Map source appropriately, once given permission from the publisher.

-Rather than contacting companies individualy, I was hoping others may have had some luck first.

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I used Michelin maps in my trip report, without permission. http://webhome.idirect.com/~brown/tauern.htm

These are scans from the printed maps and I added the Michelin logo to the section I scanned. My hope is that it will not come to the attention of anyone at Michelin, and if they do find out then they will not be upset because I am giving them some publicity. I recognize that I do not have the right to do this but my site is non-commercial and the worst that can happen (I hope) is that I have to remove the maps.
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Those came out nice Ken.

My problem is that it's not my site I'll be posting on, so I would hate to get the owner and/or other writers into trouble (or force removal of other maps on the site).
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Unless an online service states that you may use their data on third party websites, you must have permission to do so. Asking for permission is usually a pretty straightforward process. It will probably help getting permission that you are proposing a non-commercial, noncontroversial use with a very limited number of static images.

Whatever mapping service you propose to use should have a link to their terms of service. Those terms should let you know what uses they allow by default. Below are a couple of examples.

From Mapquest's legal link:

License to and Limitations on Use of Maps, Cartographic Technology and Content Information
Provided you comply with these Terms of Use, MapQuest grants you a nonexclusive, non-transferable license to view and print the Materials solely for your own personal non-commercial use. You may share a map with another individual for that individual's personal non-commercial use using the email option on the map webpage. You may not commercially exploit the Materials or the underlying data, including without limitation, you may not create derivative works of the Materials, use any data mining, robots, or similar data gathering and extraction tools on the Materials, frame any portion of the Materials, or reprint, copy, modify, translate, port, publish, sublicense, assign, transfer, sell, or otherwise distribute the Materials without the prior written consent of MapQuest.

Google's usage guidelines are available here: http://www.google.com/permissions/guidelines.html

For other services, look for a legal, terms and conditions, or similar link on their website.
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The University of Texas has a great online collection - Perry-Castaneda.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/

The USGS, Census, and CIA maps are part of the public domain and can be downloaded and used in your journals. Some are in PDF which makes copying harder others are in JPEG. I find that the country maps from CIA are good for general maps. The "National Atlas" JPEG files are available for each state.
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Thanks supcom, I was hoping to avoid contacting publishers individualy, hence this thread.

If folks have had luck with a specific publisher, then I too would contact them for written permission my intended use.

From what I've read on the journal I hope to post to, people have not had any luck with responses to Mapquest as of yet.
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PS - If you expand the public domain - you don't have to go begging for permission. Don't allow public assets to be privitized - such as with topo maps on various websites.

For example - the USGS developed all of the topo series maps at taxpayer expense - planning, surveys, satellite photos, cartography, etc. - then allowed a few companies to develop online access. For all intents and purposes - those companies "control" the maps - their web content is proprietary. Of the total cost to get the data developed, printed, scanned, and on line - I'd say the private companies invested maybe 5% - - 10% max. Pretty good gold mine, huh?
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Thanks jamawani!

Seems the UT collection will fit my needs perfectly. Seems none of the one's I'd use have copyrite issues.
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I'm afraid I've never thought about the issue of "permission" to use maps. I just take maps from Mappoint ... they have the print feature, so I figure if they'll let you print them onto paper, you can print them to a pdf file, and put that up on your website.

It isn't like the maps are unique ... every online map site has basically the same thing (some just create them a bit better than others), and it isn't like I'm making any money off the map.
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I agree Machka, but I'll be putting up a journal to Crazyguyonabike. I'd hate to cause any copyright issues for Neil (the site owner), or for the many other site writers/readers.

Anyways, it seems there are ample "public domain" maps available for use that are perfect for my needs. Many thanks again for the link above jamawani!!
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Another option for route maps is to purchase a copy of TopoUSA (or, presumably Street Atlas) from DeLorme. The TopoUSA user agreement states, in part:

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Web Site Map Display Rights. You may display on your personal, business, or institutional Web site static map images derived from the System, provided that you include the Legend indicated below and that you provide a link to the DeLorme Web site at www.delorme.com from any page that shows a DeLorme map image. If you subcontract a Web Developer to display map images, said Web Developer must purchase a license.
This would appear to permit the inclusion of a route map on a tour journal web site so long as the required reference to delome's web site is provided. I would expect that a crazyguyonabike.com tour journal would be considered a "personal" web site. However, I am not a lawyer so this should not be taken as a legal interpretation of the TopoUSA user agreement.
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Thanks supcom!

In my case I'd be a bit leary regarding the Delorme statement "...If you subcontract a Web Developer to display map images, said Web Developer must purchase a license.". But like yourself, I'm no lawyer.

The Delorme info should be very handy for folks with there own pages/sites though.

-Some of those "public domain" maps are rather nice. Worth checking out.
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