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Old 01-10-06, 08:23 AM   #1
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Long platform rear racks?

I have a problem with heel strike with my touring panniers and I was wondering if anyone could suggest some rear racks that have a longer than average platform on the back so I can move my panniers back an inch or so. An extra inch or two for my tent would be handy too. My current rack is a Blackburn knock-off that came with my Fuji Touring.

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Old 01-10-06, 08:28 AM   #2
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Tubus and some Tortec racks have a lower rail that allows you to mount the panniers back a bit. Probably there are others.
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Do your panniers have a heel cutout or are they square profile?
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They are square, Arkel GT-54s. I have a smaller pair of bags that are cut away at the front that I use for commuting and they don't cause any problems. I also like to tour with a two-man tent which doesn't fit inside my panniers so I think an extra long rear rack would provide a more secure platform for it as well.

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Old 01-10-06, 08:59 AM   #5
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Topeak made a rack called the Super Tourist that has an extended rear. It is discontinued but can still be found quite easily. I have one installed on my mountain bike and its quite sturdy and my heels dont strike the panniers.

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Jandd expedition is "pretty darned long" (I've there front as well).

See Jandd Mountaineering
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I have a Jandd Expedition rack too. It's pretty long. Mine has worked fine for me.
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The Tubus Logo and Cosmo allow for mounting lower and further back. Having used both the Tubis and the Jannd, I perfer the Tubus over the Jannd as the Tubus's lower center of gravity provides a more stable ride.
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One more vote for the jandd. I think the expedition is 2-3 inches longer than typical racks, it has worked well for me.
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I have a problem with heel strike with my touring panniers and I was wondering if anyone could suggest some rear racks that have a longer than average platform on the back so I can move my panniers back an inch or so.
Hi Biker Bob of Ontario,

The horizontal position of the no-name rear rack sold by Mountain Equipment Co-op can be adjusted by loosening two bolts, sliding the rack forward or backward, and retightening the bolts. I was getting heel strike when I mounted this rack in its most forward position, and was easily able to slip it backward a few millimetres. I think the total travel is an inch or two.
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I have a problem with heel strike with my touring panniers and I was wondering if anyone could suggest some rear racks that have a longer than average platform on the back so I can move my panniers back an inch or so. An extra inch or two for my tent would be handy too. My current rack is a Blackburn knock-off that came with my Fuji Touring.

-RE.
We at Bruce Gordon Cycles make rear racks to fit all types of touring bikes. We offer an extension to the top to make a longer platform. You can check out our web page at:
http://bgcycles.com/racks.html
There is picture of the extension
Any questions - give me a call.
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That's great Bruce Gordon but you can't hang panniers on that extension now can you!? As your website points out, the extension is for lights (not panniers). Plus you'd need to have more money than sense to spend that much! Why don't you provide any weight rating?

Is shamless plugging of your own products allowed on this forum?
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The simplest fix is a bracket that fits on the lower brazeons that cantilevers the rack rearward an inch or two. They make this kit to mount racks on recumbants, the Hostel shoppe sells, but if you can drill a few holes in aluminum yourself... This guarantees that the rack is not only larger, but that it moves out of the way.
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That's great Bruce Gordon but you can't hang panniers on that extension now can you!? As your website points out, the extension is for lights (not panniers). Plus you'd need to have more money than sense to spend that much! Why don't you provide any weight rating?

Is shamless plugging of your own products allowed on this forum?
There is a specific problem being addressed here and in that context I thought the post from Bruce Gordon was informative and helpful. BG is a small outfit so not as many people have experience with his products, hence an occasional post is fine with me. Others may have a different opinion.
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They are square, Arkel GT-54s. ...

The GT-54 have a rigid plate on the bicycle side, so as long as the hooks are on your rack, nothing prevent you to slide them forward or backwards. So is there anything that prevents you from installing them 2-3 inches further back? See [url=http://www.arkel-od.com/tips/installing.asp?fl=1&site=cdn]this page (toward the end) to see panniers installed towards the back of the rack.

If you have the old model of GT-54 with fixed hooks, you might have to move one hook a bit. It's easily done using an electric welding gun to "burn" a hole in the fabric, then a drill to go through the plastic backing.
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There is a specific problem being addressed here and in that context I thought the post from Bruce Gordon was informative and helpful. BG is a small outfit so not as many people have experience with his products, hence an occasional post is fine with me. Others may have a different opinion.
Informative and helpful? If you look at the rack from BG then you'll see it does have a long shelf, but the extra bit of shelf is not for panniers, but for lights. The OP did not want a long shelf so he could fix a light to it!

It was an opportunistic plug to make people aware of their products.
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Informative and helpful? If you look at the rack from BG then you'll see it does have a long shelf, but the extra bit of shelf is not for panniers, but for lights. The OP did not want a long shelf so he could fix a light to it!

It was an opportunistic plug to make people aware of their products.
I've got a BG rack on the front of my 520 and it's bullet-proof. Shameless plug or not, they make good racks. When my Trek original on the rear gives it up (probably in the middle of nowhere), it'll be replaced with a BG.

My two cents.....

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I've got a BG rack on the front of my 520 and it's bullet-proof. Shameless plug or not, they make good racks. When my Trek original on the rear gives it up (probably in the middle of nowhere), it'll be replaced with a BG.

My two cents.....

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That's fair enough and if someone who has actually used one of their racks says its good then fine. But BG are not about to give an unbiased opinion on their racks.

And since the guy from BG was giving bad advice anyway then I fail to see how this can help his company.

If their racks are THAT good they shouldn't need shameless self-plugging on an internet forum.
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My current rack is a Blackburn knock-off that came with my Fuji Touring.

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I have a 54cm Fuji Touring with the Jandd Expedition rear rack and it fits perfectly without sitting too high. As others mentioned, really a good rack for the $.

Here's a cheap place with free shipping:
http://brandscycle.com/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=2698

(FWIW, the Jandd Extreme front rack doesn't fit the fork braze-ons, so I needed to use the included P clamps)
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That's fair enough and if someone who has actually used one of their racks says its good then fine. But BG are not about to give an unbiased opinion on their racks.

And since the guy from BG was giving bad advice anyway then I fail to see how this can help his company.

If their racks are THAT good they shouldn't need shameless self-plugging on an internet forum.
Two responses to you post.
1. "the guy from BG" you refer to is Bruce Gordon. Actually there is only one full time employee at Bruce Gordon Cycles, that is Bruce Gordon.
2. Would it be acceptable if I always begin my posts with "Biased Shameless Self Promotion"

I would urge people on this list to chime in with their opinions on my stuff - good or bad. I have spent the past 33 years of my life trying to produce superior products. I am beginning to regret not having done something else with my life, because now at 57 years of age, I think I should make more than the $6.00 per hour I have made the last 2 years. I do not have the luxury of a huge marketing budget that Trek, Specialized, etc. have. So I am forced to try to promote my products via Forums such as this one.
If you note in my posts I never comment on the quality of my products - I simply suggest that people check out my website. If that is offensive to the list - let me know and I will never post again.
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There may be times when someone is looking for a rack just like one of yours Bruce, but this wasn't it I'm afraid. If your advice was good then I wouldn't have had any issue, but your long platform rack just isn't appropriate.

Do you expect people to buy your racks out of pity because you only apparently earn $6 an hour when there are equally good racks out there for half the price?
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I've got to say, I find some of the responses to Mr. Gordon kind of harsh. His original, modest post offered a suggestion that while, in this case, may not have been necessarily helpful, was far from completely useless. Everything I've heard about his products has been positive, and it sounds like he, like a lot of small business people, works awfully hard for little compensation. I must say I think it is simply enough to point out, politely, why BG racks don't suit the situation.

I actually think it is pretty cool that one of the owners of a well-respected independant shop reads and participates here.

By the way, I don't own any of Mr. Gordon's products (chaplains don't make enough, maybe he'll take pity on me and offer me a deal ;-) )

Just my 2 cents.
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Hey Bruce - ignore that guy. I appreciate it when small bike company people take the time to check out the forums. Over in the MTBR forums on 29er bikes, there are several guys who both offer and recieve input to make their products better. This is a wonderful way to communicate, don't let a few people with bad attitudes scare you off.

And to amaferanga, chill out dude! You could have voiced your opinion in a much more civil manner. Please burn off a little steam by riding your bike before you log on to your computer next time.
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Oh my, all I did was ask a question about racks and look what has happened!

Anyway, getting back to racks, thanks to all for the suggestions. It seems that Jandd is the favourite. I have also read that Old Man Mountain makes a rack that has an extra long platform, but that's all I know about it.

A quick note to Michel in Montréal, Arkel sells an adaptor kit so that you can convert their older panniers to the new movable clip mounting system. I think it's about $35 and not too hard to do... even I could do it!
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