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    Several manufactures, like Surly, state their bike will accept 42mm tires w/ fenders and 45mm w/out. The largest fender for a 700c bike that I can find is either the SKS P45 or Planet Bike Freddy Fender and they only accept a 35mm tire. I did try the SKS P50 which is designed for a 28" wheel and supposed accept 35-45mm tires but there was no way. It had less clearance than my p45's and simply didn't work on my LHT. It appeared to be designed for a 26" wheel. I contacted SKS and they admitted that fender doesn't work w/ all 700c bikes. It appears the Bluemels would work but they don't distribute in the US. At least that's what the SKS distributor told me.

    Long question short: Who makes a fender for a 700c bike that will acccept a 42mm tire?

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    Is the fenders or the hardware rubbing? if so where at? Fenders often require some work. Rear fenders at the brake bridge tend to be a trouble spot. On my MTB I had to re-arch some 26" planet bike fenders to work with Nokia studded tires which have a really tall profile with the studs.

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    The wood fenders are beautiful but a little pricy. However, they will remain an option. I don't think Surly, Soma and others had these fenders in mind when spec'ing tire clearance. Who did they have in mind?

    Velonomad, the p50s were an impossible to get to work due to the front fender. They are supposed to work w/ 45mm tires but even w/ a 35mm tire, they didn't work (but the p45s do?). It stated it was designed for a 28" wheel, but once atached, it touched the tire with both ends of the fender. Puzzling, I know.

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    I understand what is happening now, same problem I had on my bike with studded tires. The arc of the fenders is too small for your 42's so the ends rub.
    I had to use a heat gun and soften the fenders a bit for my bike. Here is how I did it: I first laid the inflated tire on cardboard and drew a half circle. I then used a heat gun to soft the fender, using low heat , I heated nearly the whole fender so it wouldn't kink ( also keep the gun moving don't stop on one spot or the plastic will distort). I then quickly laid it on the cardboard and lined up the inside edge of the fender with the 1/2 circle I had drawn and held it there about 5-7 mins till it cooled enough to hold it's shape. I did this on a Planet Bike Freddy Fender. I don't know if it can be done with SKS fenders

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    Can anyone explain to me why anyone would EVER use a tire wider than a 32?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclintom
    Can anyone explain to me why anyone would EVER use a tire wider than a 32?
    Start your own thread if you actually want to know. The guy is trying to get help with his fenders.

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    Thanks Velonomad. Actually I used the p50s on 35mm tires and the arc was still too small. I have heard about people heating and bending but hoping to find the fender that Surly, Soma etc... said these bikes could take. Other than the Bluemels, which I can't get, I don't think it's out there.

    Cyclintom. The same reason people use larger than 1.25 for 26" wheels. Dirt roads, snow, too many to mention. I will be Newfoundland and Labrador this summer and about 300 miles will be on a dirt road. I want the option to have a 38mm tire and keep the fenders on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz
    Thanks Velonomad. Actually I used the p50s on 35mm tires and the arc was still too small. I have heard about people heating and bending but hoping to find the fender that Surly, Soma etc... said these bikes could take. Other than the Bluemels, which I can't get, I don't think it's out there.

    Cyclintom. The same reason people use larger than 1.25 for 26" wheels. Dirt roads, snow, too many to mention. I will be Newfoundland and Labrador this summer and about 300 miles will be on a dirt road. I want the option to have a 38mm tire and keep the fenders on.
    700 x 50 mm Gilles Berthoud Stainless steel fenders, $49.95.

    I imagine these will work, and are reputably the best out there for coverage, durability, and sexiness. They require more attention during installation.

    Examples (of probably the 40 mm version, I'm guessing)



    and


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCommuter
    700 x 50 mm Gilles Berthoud Stainless steel fenders, $49.95.

    I imagine these will work, and are reputably the best out there for coverage, durability, and sexiness. They require more attention during installation.

    Examples (of probably the 40 mm version, I'm guessing)

    Good idea!, I didn't know Berthouds also come in 50 mm wide. Those would certainly be easier to re-arch. I have the 40mm Berthouds on my light touring bike and needed to re-arc just them a little. the bending was very easy to do. The fenders come undrilled so you will have to drill and attach the struts , bridge clip and fork mount yourself.
    Last edited by velonomad; 02-21-06 at 09:14 PM.

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    So they do exist. Thanks. Indeed they are sexy.

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    Berthoud 50mm fenders, where to purchace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclintom
    Can anyone explain to me why anyone would EVER use a tire wider than a 32?
    For better traction and stability.


    As for those wood fenders, they are a thing of beauty, no doubt about it. But it would actually be a shame to use something so beautiful to catch mud and road crap. Better to use something not so pretty so you don't hurt it's feelings.

    That's disappointing to hear that your SKS fenders don't fit. They come in soooo many different sizes, I find it hard to believe. But, I suppose it does depend on the bike after all.

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    I've ridden a 500 mile tour on a tandem with 28 mm tires on it (Continental) and they didn't show any wear. I'm 200 lbs and my partner was near 180 as well.

    In my experience tires wear less on gravel roads than rough asphalt roads. I can't imagine that anyone would believe they could get better traction or longer wear with a fatter tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclintom
    I've ridden a 500 mile tour on a tandem with 28 mm tires on it (Continental) and they didn't show any wear. I'm 200 lbs and my partner was near 180 as well.

    In my experience tires wear less on gravel roads than rough asphalt roads. I can't imagine that anyone would believe they could get better traction or longer wear with a fatter tire.
    Perhaps you should start a new thread about this. You can tell all those ill-informed cycle-tourists traveling in Southeast Asia, Africa, and South America that there is not much sense in running 38+ mm tires. Maybe the tire companies like Schwalbe, Vittoria, Panaracer, etc., and independent designers of fat tires like Bruce Gordon will catch on and stop producing them, since they are not really useful and do not provide additional traction or durability.

    Since Aroundoz is not asking about this in the topic thread, it won't get the attention it properly deserves without a new thread. I'll definitely chime in when I have the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerinchrist
    Berthoud 50mm fenders, where to purchace?
    http://peterwhitecycles.com/berthoud.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz
    Several manufactures, like Surly, state their bike will accept 42mm tires w/ fenders and 45mm w/out. The largest fender for a 700c bike that I can find is either the SKS P45 or Planet Bike Freddy Fender and they only accept a 35mm tire. I did try the SKS P50 which is designed for a 28" wheel and supposed accept 35-45mm tires but there was no way. It had less clearance than my p45's and simply didn't work on my LHT. It appeared to be designed for a 26" wheel. I contacted SKS and they admitted that fender doesn't work w/ all 700c bikes. It appears the Bluemels would work but they don't distribute in the US. At least that's what the SKS distributor told me.

    Long question short: Who makes a fender for a 700c bike that will acccept a 42mm tire?

    Thanks
    Hey kids, well it can be done... I have 42mm with Fenders, I used the SKS.... it was a ***** to get on... but other than that... IT can be done... it's a glide of a ride....


    Cheers,

    Coco

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    Quote Originally Posted by coconut in IA
    Hey kids, well it can be done... I have 42mm with Fenders, I used the SKS.... it was a ***** to get on... but other than that... IT can be done... it's a glide of a ride....


    Cheers,

    Coco
    Indeed, my SKS 45 mm fenders could fit them as well. I'll try to take a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCommuter
    Perhaps you should start a new thread about this. You can tell all those ill-informed cycle-tourists traveling in Southeast Asia, Africa, and South America that there is not much sense in running 38+ mm tires. Maybe the tire companies like Schwalbe, Vittoria, Panaracer, etc., and independent designers of fat tires like Bruce Gordon will catch on and stop producing them, since they are not really useful and do not provide additional traction or durability.

    Since Aroundoz is not asking about this in the topic thread, it won't get the attention it properly deserves without a new thread. I'll definitely chime in when I have the time.
    I do find it interesting, though, that 28mm tires are pretty much standard on road tandems which generally are even more loaded down than a fully loaded single.

    If you're touring on pavement, how big do the tires really need to be?

    (My touring bike has 32mm tires and our tandem has 37s.)

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    This was supposed to be about fenders not tire width but what the heck. If that was your experience w/ a 28mm tire great but try to remember, that was your experience. This isn't about resumes but I have done a few tours and 28mm tires wouldn't last a day in a 3rd world country like Fiji or in the deserts of Oz. I have toured on everything from 28mm to 1.95s depending on what was needed. If you like to stay on the pavement. Great. Show me someone riding cyclocross or single track using a 28mm tire. By the way, 500 miles isn't long enough to test a tire. Why don't you start a thread?
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    All of the bikes that I have ever owned have had fenders. The best fenders that I have used and still use were made by Syncros in Canada in the mid-late 1980's. I have had the same pair on my Bruce Gordon R N R since 1989 with 700 X 45-47mm tires from BG, Continental and currently Schwalbe Marathon XR. The fenders are a very strong thermoplastic. Plenty of clearance and they shed debris quickly. They easily handled the Divide Ride in 2003 and are still going strong. They keep me clean and extend the life of my drive train with the use of the long front Syncros Crap Flap mud flap that came with the fenders.
    I also installed a pair on my Fat Chance Mountain Tandem in 1989 as well. They have handled 26 X 1.5 to 2.1mm tires with ease and just keep working. They help keep stokers happy on off road tours and on pavement.
    The use of fenders was reinforced on tour in Ecuador. An unusual noise of something hard hitting the fenders turned out to be used hypodermic needles on the road edge for ten miles while approaching Quito the capital. My friend without fenders had a religious conversion- to fenders- that day.
    I have searched for more without luck even talking to Syncros under successive owners.The molds were lost destroyed or stolen but have never resurfaced to my knowledge. Supposedly Norco the Canadian bike company makes or made a similar but inferior knockoff that I have never seen a pair.
    This recounting does not answer the question posed but I thought that someone might find this example interesting anyway.

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    That was interesting and your experience in Ecuador is little un-nerving. You never know what benefit something like a fender is going to provide.

    I am always surprised at how anti-fender riders are. I did a ride last summer in the BC area and it rained for two days. I was the only one w/ fenders and everyone wished they had a pair. However, I know that when it comes time to buying their next bike, the carbon, graphics and paint will make them forget they even thought about fenders. Until their next ride in the rain.

    Steelcommuter, I would like to see the picture of your fenders. I still find it odd that the p50, larger fender, provided less clearance than the smaller p45s which are still on my bike. I am leaning towards the stainless fenders pictured above. Something very retro about them. You almost need a lugged bike to compliment them, or visa versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBaby
    10 - 4 !!

    THANKS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroundoz

    Steelcommuter, I would like to see the picture of your fenders. I still find it odd that the p50, larger fender, provided less clearance than the smaller p45s which are still on my bike. I am leaning towards the stainless fenders pictured above. Something very retro about them. You almost need a lugged bike to compliment them, or visa versa.

    Ok. I think the extra width of the P50 may not allow them to have the same height in your frame as the P45. Perhaps as your stays get narrower, the P45 can sit higher up into the frame, allowing you to fit a wider tire than the P50, if it sits lower because the width prevents it from being higher. Just some speculation.

    Here are some pics of my fenders. Keep in mind that they have 32 mm tires in them in several of them (the smooth Avocets), and the knobbies under the front fender in the first four pics are 35-36 mm. I don't have any fat 42+ tires right now. But look at the room, man!








    This one below is just to make cyclintom piss his pants


    With 32 mm

















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    Definitely room to spare. Nice job mounting them. Just to confirm, these are the p45s? I wished I had a fork that provided that much clearance also. Thanks for taking the time. I think Cyclingtom has left us and is perusing threads addressing skinnier tires.

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