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Old 03-09-06, 08:03 PM   #1
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I'm looking for input on my Cross Check build. I'm hoping to come out with a do-it all bike. So here's what I got so far:
54 cm Surly Cross Check frame & fork
DA bar end friction shifters
105 f/r derailuers
Cane Creek SCR 5 brake levers
Shimano BR-R550 cantilevers
FSA Compact crank (for now, just because I have it)
Nitto Randonneur bars in 45cm
Thomson Elite stem
Cane Creek S3 headset
Selle Flite Gel seat (will be a Brooks B-17 soon enough)
2 sets of wheels Velomax Orions w/ 11-23 for road use and Shimano R550s with 11-3? for off road use/touring

I really don't know what cassette to use for the Shimanos. I was thinking a mountain cassette, but I'd like advice. I won't be doing any loaded touring, but brevets, commuting, training (on and off road). The Shimanos will probably get 32c cross type tires. I'd like to make the bike as versatile as possible.

I'm also interested in suggestions for fenders and a rear rack.

Any other blaring problems, please point them out.

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Old 03-09-06, 08:06 PM   #2
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Well, in two minutes it will be obsolete.
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Old 03-09-06, 08:32 PM   #3
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Well, in two minutes it will be obsolete.
Huh, I don't get it.
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Bicycle techonologies are a lot like computer technologies in that new parts/componenta are always coming out to replaceold parts. So whatever you build now will be obsolete before long.

So the question is you can either build now ot waint untill some better comes along. Well just go with what you've got and live with it.
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I got it. I wasn't really looking at getting the newset technology, just good reliable gear. One of the reasons I'm building this bike is to get away from the "this is newer/lighter/faster" mentality. Not that there's anything wrong with it, just not my style. Actually, I'm a little disappointed I couldn't get my hands on a frame with a 1" fork so I could use a quill stem (ran out of budget). So I'm not concerned about it being dated, I'd probably prefer it.

I did think about building the frame up with a full R600 group I have. 7 speed. But I'm saving that for the right frame.
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Sounds like a nice mix. I've got the Tubus Vega rack on the Bianchi, very light and still practical. That and a trunk bag should handle your requirements based on what you've said. As for the cassette I'd throw a mtb one on it, so that you get a bit more versatility for what ever you want it to do. throw the corncob cassette wheelset on it for club rides and toss the mtb cassette wheelset on for when you need that extended low range. Hopefully the two rear wheels will be built close enough to eachother that you won't have to do too much adjusting of the RD. If you go with the MTB cluster, you will 'probably' need to get a second chain for that one due to the length differences.

I've got SK fenders on the C-dale and Bianchi, and found them easy to install and not too hideous looking. The Commuter ones are a bit short on the rear, the fulls are a bit longer. You can always rig up a flap for them as needed.

One thing, with a cyclo-puter different sized tires are going to effect the calibration, and you may have to remember to adjust the 'puter, or get one that is designed for multiple bikes and has different profiles you can switch between.

Like I said, sounds good to me, seems close to what I'd build, but that recommendation and a 5 dollar bill will get you an expensive coffee drink at some trendy latte shop.

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I didn't think about the chain issue, or the computer one for that matter. I figured the friction shifters would offset derailuer adjustments between the two cassettes. Thanks Steve.
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From what I've heard I don't think a 105 rear derailleur will shift an 11-3x cassette. It might scrape on the largest cogs. An MTB rear derailleur would work fine.
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The rear derailleur won't work with the ATB cassette. I wouldn't tour or go off-road on those Shimano wheels.
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I agree with several of the other posters here: you need a stronger wheelset for touring, and a mountain rear derailleur (Shimano XT). I have one other suggestion, since you are using bar end shifters, dump the cantilever brakes and replace the them with V-brakes and Diacompe 287-V levers. I don't want to argue about this again (there are some serious retrogrouches lurking around here), but IN MY EXPERIENCE, V-brakes have superior stopping power and are much easier to adjust.
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I'm assuming the shimanos are bad because they are not easily trueable. Right? I plan on a set of Open Pro/Ultegra or CXP22 wheels in the future (before I tour).

I'll swap out the derailleur for an XT.

I debated the canti/v-brake thing for a while. I chose the canti's basically with the flip of a coin. I think they'll be okay for what I want to do, but I'll keep the advice tucked away.
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I got it. I wasn't really looking at getting the newset technology, just good reliable gear. One of the reasons I'm building this bike is to get away from the "this is newer/lighter/faster" mentality. Not that there's anything wrong with it, just not my style. Actually, I'm a little disappointed I couldn't get my hands on a frame with a 1" fork so I could use a quill stem (ran out of budget). So I'm not concerned about it being dated, I'd probably prefer it.

I did think about building the frame up with a full R600 group I have. 7 speed. But I'm saving that for the right frame.
Oh, in that your good to go. I'm a bit of a retrogrouch.

I would switch to Deore or XT components. If you want durability get MTB components. MTB parts are really the "world standard."
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I'm assuming the shimanos are bad because they are not easily trueable. Right? I plan on a set of Open Pro/Ultegra or CXP22 wheels in the future (before I tour).

I'll swap out the derailleur for an XT.

I debated the canti/v-brake thing for a while. I chose the canti's basically with the flip of a coin. I think they'll be okay for what I want to do, but I'll keep the advice tucked away.
Harder to true and more likely to need it.

I guess I'm a "retrogrouch" because I have no use for V-brakes.
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My MTB had canties, but they were the kind that had a plastic housing on the base of the pivots that cranked all the time. You'd be going down the road and CRACK! No breaks. So I switched to V-brakes.
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