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Old 03-18-06, 02:31 PM   #1
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Brooks saddles and a sore butt

I just put my brooks on today and rode a 20 miler. My butt is sore. I am going to put a gel cover over it tomorrow to see if this helps. That thing is hard as a brick
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I just put my brooks on today and rode a 20 miler. My butt is sore. I am going to put a gel cover over it tomorrow to see if this helps.
I wouldn't if I were you......that'll prolong the break in period. Let the saddle gradually mold itself to your sit bones.
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The gel cover will defeat the purpose of a Brooks. Which model is it?
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dude,
don't put a gel thing on it!! you'll be fine! it'll mold to ypur cheeks and you'll ride forever on it!! mine was fine after about 200 miles. don't cover it!!!!
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I found that a serious height adjustment was all I needed when I Brooked for the first time. They really seem to fit my behind very well. When I first sat on it I thought I was sitting on cement. After several kilometers I realized that I should have been riding one from the beginning.
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I sat on my friend's today and I think I will get one. She said hers was comfortable right out of the box, but that that is unusual.
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I'm still working on mine (B17). Have about 340 miles on it. Usually feels great when I first hop on it, but start to notice things after 5~7 miles. If I sit back, seems to bother the lower thigh muscles. If I sit forward, more weight goes on the prostate area. What is the proper positioning technique?
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Old 03-18-06, 03:30 PM   #8
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I sat on my friend's today and I think I will get one. She said hers was comfortable right out of the box, but that that is unusual.

we are still talking about saddles here right?

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I sat on my friend's today and I think I will get one. She said hers was comfortable right out of the box, but that that is unusual.
All my Brooks have been comfortable for me right out of the box as well.....except maybe for a couple of models, but after the intial soreness during the first couple of rides, they felt fine......but I think they were due to saddle positions more than anything else.... I'm glad my butt's made out of iron, as I've never had saddle issues...

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Not all my Brooks saddles have been comfy right out of the box. I still remember the days when I though I would never tame that hard as a rock Team Pro. But time has shown how wrong I was with that precious little piece of leather.
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My B17 was ok after 200 km, comfortable after 500 km. My Team Pro is getting there but not quite comfortable on long rides after 1500 km. Your saddle says quite a lot about your personality.

To speed up the process I dipped the saddle in warm water for 30 sec prior to riding it the first few times, it seemed to work.
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Old 03-18-06, 05:21 PM   #12
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Were you expecting a sofa cushion??

Brooks saddles are HARD!! They are also very slippery, and you'll likely feel like you are sliding off half the time at first.

But if you keep riding it a little bit every other day until you can stand to ride it every day, it will start to conform to your shape .... and after a mere 800 kms or so ... it will become the most comfortable saddle you've ever owned. But in order for that to happen, DO NOT use a gel saddle cover.

Welcome to the Brooks club!!
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Yea I was expecting something as soft as my cheap walmart seat with a gel cover over it. I have to tell you it is a lot softer than the hard as a rock B-17
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i think that fixer and i have the same ass. i've always been comfortable on my brooks saddles right away. true, they get better with time, but i've never found one uncomfortable, even brand new.
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Yea I was expecting something as soft as my cheap walmart seat with a gel cover over it. I have to tell you it is a lot softer than the hard as a rock B-17

Yes, of course your cheap Walmart seat with a gel cover is softer!! The Brooks saddle is not supposed to be a soft saddle. Nowhere has anyone ever described a Brooks saddle as soft. Brooks saddles are made from thick leather, which is not a soft material. They will conform to your shape, and will essentially become a custom saddle, but they will never become "soft". And that's a very good thing!!

"Soft" does not equal "comfortable". Those gel saddles don't breathe, and they put undo pressure on all the wrong parts of your lower anatomy ... especially if you are riding any sort of distance. I ended up with horrible sciatica pain, and started developing saddle sores with mine. If you are just riding short distances, the gel saddles are fine because you aren't on the bicycle all that long, but if you are riding long distances a harder, custom-fit saddle, made from natural materials, is much more comfortable.
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Ditto all, plus:


Question: What style of bike are you riding? Drop bars? MTB style? How high are they in conjunction with the saddle? The B-17 is not intended for a high percentage of body weight distribution. Your bar height should be the same or lower than your -17. It is designed to be a 'perch' more than a 'seat', like the sprung saddles. A perch shares more of your weight with the h'bars and pedals.

My experience with a B-17 was not a happy one. Too narrow. So, I sold it but went right to a B-67 as my sit bones are farther apart than average. I'm 225lbs, very fit, and not likely to get slimmer. It did the trick. It's possible you may be too wide. I also had problems with the h'bars, but that's another thread.

If you are more the norm, just keep riding. It'll 'take a sit' to you soon. Like a catcher's glove. Don't delay the inevitable by covering it. Your sit bones (ischial tuberosities) will make their own sockets in the leather. You can speed the process by using various unguents and salves (on the saddle, not your butt). But don't go overboard or you can go too far and end up with a stretched out dog chew.
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I have noticed that the Brooks B17 feels a great deal better if you're sitting more upright. I know that the old Ideale leather saddles worked OK for racers and had a different shape.

Anyway, another thing is it appears that Brooks needs to be set with the nose a little high.
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I have noticed that the Brooks B17 feels a great deal better if you're sitting more upright. I know that the old Ideale leather saddles worked OK for racers and had a different shape.

Anyway, another thing is it appears that Brooks needs to be set with the nose a little high.
Yes, the nose high thing.
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Old 03-18-06, 08:17 PM   #19
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Some say upright some say bent over. I am riding a touring bike. I ain't bending over. That ain't comfortable to me either. I know what is comfortable and what is not on my butt. I will try some 50- 100 mile rides and see how it feels.
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I know what is comfortable and what is not on my butt. I will try some 50- 100 mile rides and see how it feels.
Some people are comfortable on Brooks saddles right away, but for most people, it takes a bit of time to get comfortable on them.

IMO, 20 miles for your first ride on a Brooks was quite aggressive!!! I am a long distance cyclist (ultra-distances), but I managed to do ONLY 5 kms on mine for the first few rides. After a while, I moved up to commuting with my Brooks (6.5 kms each way). I slowly and gradually moved up to the "break-in" point. In fact, for about the first few weeks, I thought I would have to return the saddle to Wallingford Bikes (they've got that 6 month guarantee).

Sure, you can go out do 50-100 miles with it in the next few days ... but you WILL be sore. If you try the slow approach, you will likely have much more success with the saddle. Patience is the key.

Here's another idea which might work for you. I put the saddle on my mountain bike (which is my commuting bike) for the first little while, and I would commute, or go out and do a 10 km ride with my mountain bike ... and then I'd come home and switch to my road bicycle (sport touring) for the rest of my ride. Once I got up to about 50 kms on the mountain bike, with the Brooks, I put it on my road bicycle .... and the rest is history.
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i got my first brooks pro in 1981. i still tour with it. i went to a saddle shop (horse riding gear) and got saddle prep gel that shortened the break in time. its age shows, but it is irreplaceable for me. i do use other saddles on my commutors, recumbent, and mountain bike, so when i do start back w/ tourer or "fast" road bike and brooks, it still takes about 3 to 4 days to acclimate. don't forget to use the "proofide" leather saddle dressing care!
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Much harder to get it to fit in the winter. My Brooks Pro was put on in Oct 04 and didn't ease in until the following June. Just took a little heat and sweat. Even new it was the best saddle since my 1970's Belt leather saddle.
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I believe that Brooke saddles don't really break in as much as the rider's ass does. Keep riding-- you'll get used to it.

Over time, a cyclist's body changes. The legs get strong. The ass gets hard. The hands and wrists get tougher. It's not easy.

Don't try any short cuts in the suffering-- like a cushy gel seat. Just ride though the pain. On some level, cycling is about suffering. Keep riding-- it does get easier.
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I believe that Brooke saddles don't really break in as much as the rider's ass does. Keep riding-- you'll get used to it.
The saddle does break in. A broken-in Brooks saddle has "butt grooves"!!

See the difference in the attached photos. The first is a brand new Brooks - the one in the ad. The second is mine after about 25,000 kms.

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I just put my brooks on today and rode a 20 miler. My butt is sore. I am going to put a gel cover over it tomorrow to see if this helps. That thing is hard as a brick
You know, it may be possible that you simply don't have the seat adjusted properly for your sit bones to ride on the saddle. Chances are, you are riding on the fatty tissue rather than your sit bones. Next time you are out, take an allen key with you of the right size, and try ever so slightly adjusting the saddle. Tilt it nose up a tad, or down a tad, and for and aft every so slightly. Eventually, you may find that in one direction, you're starting to find that sweet spot, and a bit more fine tuning will bring it where it should be.
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