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Old 04-06-06, 01:13 PM   #1
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Purchasing LHT's in Canada?

Hi guys/gals,

I live in Ottawa and am looking to get a touring bike sometime in the next few months. I have been eyeing the Trek 520, the LHT frame, the Giant OCR touring and the touring bike that the urbane cyclist in Toronto sells. I'm trying to get an idea for pricing for these bikes but am having a hard time finding shops that sell the LHT and the OCR touring. Do you guys know where I could go to get reasonable prices in Ontario (preferably in the Ottawa area!)
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Last year, Fresh Air Experience had the OCR touring and a small shop on Bank street, can't remember the name, had the surly frame.

Otherwise, Cyclo-sportif G.M. Bertrand (167, rue Wellington in Hull near rue Laval (819) 772-2919) is a good place to start. They had a couple of models last year and if you have money, they can build you a frame.

Bushtukah had the Trek last year, but I just don't like that kind of mega store.
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Old 04-06-06, 08:06 PM   #3
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bobbo......make the trip to toronto and get the urbane cyclists frame, i cannot say enough good things about this shop, or their bikes for that matter
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Old 04-06-06, 09:53 PM   #4
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Last year, 'Full Cycle' on St. Laurent had the OCR Touring, don't know about this year though. 'Rebec and Kroes' on Bank sells Cannondale touring bikes (another idea).
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I would concur on the Urbane Cyclist (UC) frame. I bought one and love it. The UC is a great shop to work with and will work with you to build a bike using their parts, your parts, whatever you want. I'm getting a custom frame made since I am very long in the body, if you want a 58 Urbane Tourist (UT) let me know.

The UT has a number of advantages and differences relative to the Surly, I was told they are made in the same factory, but I don't know for sure. The UT is a little less crazy heavy. I was travelling with 300 pounds on the bike and found it gave me no problems. It is hard to imagine a road tour that it would be underbuilt for, yet it doesn't have some of the heavy features of the LHT. This seems to explain the ride quality of the UT. There are also minor fit and finish differences which may appeal, and wheel size issues. I should also say the UC wheels have yet to go out of true even a feather, after 1100 miles, which for me is sufficient reason to buy from them if you are going the distance and don't build your own wheels.

One thing I would have bought the Surly for alone (based on the specs, riding the UT sold me on the UT) is the powdercoat finish. The new paint doesn't look like PC, I haven't been able to verify.

I was actually planing on buying the Surly anyway after my tour was over, and the Nashbar frame. It's not so much in the bucks department, and I hoped to do a definitive review of the three frames, with the same components. In the end I loved the UT and felt the only thing that really needed changing was that I need a custom fit frame... If I was an off the rack kind of cyclist I would have carried on with my plan to get the other frames for testing. I found spicercycles.com very supportive of sending frames to Canada, and they sell the Surly frame for 350ish.
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Consider the Canadian-made Rocky Mountain Sherpa touring bike. The Urbane ones are okay, but I wasn't very impressed by the components relative to the price (8sp. RSX on a $1400 bike?!).
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Consider the Canadian-made Rocky Mountain Sherpa touring bike. The Urbane ones are okay, but I wasn't very impressed by the components relative to the price (8sp. RSX on a $1400 bike?!).
Wow, that is a nice looking bike! Lots of 105 components too. Hmmmmmmmmm. Do you know how they are for fully loaded touring?
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bobbotron,

The sherpa looks a lot like the now defunct Mikado Magellan (Mikado was bought by Rocky Mountain last year). If I am right and that it is a 2006 version of the Mikado Magellan, the Sherpa is a great bike but you might have to change the cranks for something smaller.
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I have been eyeing the Trek 520, the LHT frame, the Giant OCR touring and the touring bike that the urbane cyclist in Toronto
I assume that LHT stands for long haul trucker but I have always been confused - is that a brand name or just slang for a touring bike? If brand name who makes it? I am confused.
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I assume that LHT stands for long haul trucker but I have always been confused - is that a brand name or just slang for a touring bike? If brand name who makes it? I am confused.
Yeah, it stands for Long Haul Trucker. It's a frame that Surley builds - they're pretty popular, everyone seems to be buying one and building touring bikes from them these days.
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Do you know how they are for fully loaded touring?
Not from first-hand experience, but it looks like it would be very stable for up to medium loads. It's relative light weight suggests that it would be inferior to the LHT for serious panniers-front-and-back heavy touring. I also agree the the gearing seems a little high for a touring bike.
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It is nice to get so many Canadian posts.
I ditto the plusses for the Urbane tourer. I also was considering the LHT, but I just couldn't justify the difference in price for the frame and the fact that Urbane will put one together for you even if you have your own bits. I have neither the time nor the skill to assemble my own bike and Urbane Cyclist have the kind of experience I could never have.
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I got better component than on the Sherpa, but for a few hundred less. Of course I didn't get brifters, but then bar ends are actually pretty expensive. I got Schwalbe marathon slick tires, B17 sadle, I supplied my own brakes, but then the brakes RM supples aren't worth much. I got LX hubs and was warned against the 105 hubs as being more race oriented, I don't know if that is true, but Beckman moves from LX/XT to Phils and then Hugi, same thing with Rivendale, LX to Phils. I got real touring ratios in the gears.

Frame wise I like the sloping top tube on the Sherpa, but not the loss of 2" of wheel base 3/4" from the stays.

Basically you can build what you want with UC. I told them I was riding straight out the door and on to NB no break-in, and they built the bike to take it. They know touring pretty well. City bike shops are pretty cool these days. With all the couriers they develop a pretty hard head about what survives and what doesn't. Sure the loads are different, but they do see a lot of broken parts, that counts for something. A couple of the guys that build their bikes tour on bike frames that they build for themselves, so they know touring and bikes real well.
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I got better component than on the Sherpa, but for a few hundred less. Of course I didn't get brifters, but then bar ends are actually pretty expensive. I got Schwalbe marathon slick tires, B17 sadle, I supplied my own brakes, but then the brakes RM supples aren't worth much. I got LX hubs and was warned against the 105 hubs as being more race oriented, I don't know if that is true, but Beckman moves from LX/XT to Phils and then Hugi, same thing with Rivendale, LX to Phils. I got real touring ratios in the gears.

Frame wise I like the sloping top tube on the Sherpa, but not the loss of 2" of wheel base 3/4" from the stays.

Basically you can build what you want with UC. I told them I was riding straight out the door and on to NB no break-in, and they built the bike to take it. They know touring pretty well. City bike shops are pretty cool these days. With all the couriers they develop a pretty hard head about what survives and what doesn't. Sure the loads are different, but they do see a lot of broken parts, that counts for something. A couple of the guys that build their bikes tour on bike frames that they build for themselves, so they know touring and bikes real well.

Out of context, this doesn't make much sense to me. Perhaps a little bit of the who, what, where, why, when and how would improve my comprehension.

Also what is a Sherpa (other than a guide), UC, NB?
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