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Old 04-20-06, 08:28 AM   #1
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touring is for old fat people

That is what the guy at the LBS told me. I have been building a touring bike and have been going to the shop to get parts. I am converting my Giant mtn bike into a touring bike. He laughs at me every time I go in for a part. He doesn't understand touring. I feel kinda stupid. I am 50 years old and do about 15-20 miles/day with a 50 miler on the weekend. I am going to do some 3-4 day tours this summer and then a week long tour. Plan to do 75 miles/day.
He told me that touring is for fat people with their bellies hanging over their seats. He said it was for people that can't ride 20 miles per hour. He pissed me off but I got to thinking he is right. Here I am getting into touring. Why am I doing this? Is is because I can't ride 20 miles per hour. I usuallly can only maintain 10-12 mph fully loaded. I kinda resemble his remark and maybe that is why it pissed me off. He told me that most guys that tour gain weight not lose it. I have to admit I need to lose 10 pounds but I am very slowly losing the weight even though I am not going very fast. Oh well thanks for listening and I am sure lots of you guys have heard these remarks.
Smart ass college puke. LOL.
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Old 04-20-06, 08:32 AM   #2
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Have you tried another bike shop?
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The guy does not know what he's on about. I know some First Cat riders who do a lot of touring in the off season, really helps stamina.
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Old 04-20-06, 08:39 AM   #4
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Every time I do a big tour I finish weighing about 5kg less than when I start and I only weigh 70kg at my heaviest. I seem not to fit with that idiots definition of a touring cyclist. I'm with #1, find another bike shop and never go back to that shop. They should be promoting ANY type of cycling not mocking you.
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**** that guy. if he really said that stuff then he's trying to make himself feel better about something. maybe a lack of his own cycling ability, maybe he's so starved for human attention that he's gotta pick on 50 year olds that are new to the sport, it doesn't matter. distance riding is one of the best ways to lose weight and losing weight slowly is the ONLY healthy way to do it. the real goal, however, is not to lose weight, ride fast, or even far (although those are useful benchmarks). what's really rewarding is making cycling a valuable part of your life such that you are content with how you ride and why. when that happens all you can do is pity dickweeds like that. no matter how fast and skinny they are.
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Call the LBS owner and tell him that he lost a sale on a pair of Phil hubs due to his employee's attitude.
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Old 04-20-06, 08:55 AM   #7
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I agree with The Fixer- that LBS employee is not worth the money his boss is paying him and that shop owner deserves to know it.
look at the different forums on this site- touring, singlespeed, racing.... to each his own, eh?

just be excited about the riding you're doing and find a shop that wants to help you- not tell you what kind of cycling is right for you.
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touring is its own part of a very wide cycling spectrum. I recall that when I used to race I would always do a long, tough tour in the spring of get my base miles in. I also recall just how eliteist racer can be. They tend to think racing is the pinnacle of cycling. Of course its not. Just one area.

The LBS kid is ignorent and intolerent. LBS need a new employee. Let the owner know that a segment of his potential business base is being sent away. It is hitting his bottom line.
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Touring is fun. If you enjoy it, who cares what that guy thinks?
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I agree with rideabike.

There are many different people with still more opinions. You cannot change them all, nor do you actually want to. It will be pretty boring if everyone thinks the same.

Enjoy your tour! As long as you enjoy whatever you do, who cares?
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Any ride is a good ride.

Never forget that. Whether you're riding a beach cruiser down a path, freeride mountain bike riding, or puking your guts out after the final sprint of a road race, the important thing is that you're on a bicycle and you are having fun. **** that guy.
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Heh that's kinda funny. If an old fat guy tours alot, then he won't be fat anymore. So where does fat come in?...
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Babysaph,

Go over to Crazy Guy on a Bike. Read lots of the journals there so that you can get a real feel for what touring is all about. Racer dudes generally don't get it because they what to beat someone. They don't understand that touring is about expanding who you are as a person, seeing what you can do, seeing the world from a different angle. It's not about beating someone into submission, it's not even about beating yourself into submission (something that takes a long time to learn by the way ). Sure it's about pain and suffering...testing your mettle. But it's also about seeing a sunrise over the Missouri River that is so beautiful that it still makes you cry 3 years later. Or about seeing a child that you once had to breath life into to keep alive becoming so strong, capable and confident that you know she can do anything! It's also about finding your own inner peace and inner strength.

Then go down to that bike shop, ask for the guy who ridicules you and the manager/owner. Then tell the owner that this fat, old person who has several Platium MasterCards and who could outspend any 20 something racer dude (or racer wannabee) that walks through his door is taking her fat, old business elsewhere...and she is going to tell all her fat, old -rich- friends to do likewise and anyone else she sees!

Maybe smart-ass college boy will learn a lesson in customer service and unemployment

[Edit: By the way, when I tour I generally lose between 20 and 40 pounds. Riding a unloaded bike for 5 to 9 hours per day burns from 4500 to 8000 calories (for me). With a touring load you burn significantly more. You get to the point where you just can't eat enough to keep up.
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I always lose weight on tour.

Find another bike shop.
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You know, he might think he's bantering with you, giving you the opportunity to say, "you young punk, what do you know about bikes?" so you can both have a chuckle at each other. For some people, this kind of teasing is what passes for a close salesperson/customer relationship. I wouldn't get all up in arms about it, trying to get the poor guy fired, if he's just trying to be nice, albeit in a grade-school kind of way.

Either way, I think anyone that anyone that cuts off a kind of experience because of judging like that is in a bad place. Racing? sounds like fun. touring? sounds like fun. no need to get all cliquey.
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You know, he might think he's bantering with you, giving you the opportunity to say, "you young punk, what do you know about bikes?" so you can both have a chuckle at each other. For some people, this kind of teasing is what passes for a close salesperson/customer relationship. I wouldn't get all up in arms about it, trying to get the poor guy fired, if he's just trying to be nice, albeit in a grade-school kind of way.

Either way, I think anyone that anyone that cuts off a kind of experience because of judging like that is in a bad place. Racing? sounds like fun. touring? sounds like fun. no need to get all cliquey.
I hadn't thought about it in just that way but if he is bothering you, Babysaph, you need to tell him to quit. One warning. If he makes similar comments again...let him learn the joys of the unemployment office
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Let me get this straight: Every time you go to buy a touring piece of equipment the guy insults the very activity you're patronizing his shop for?
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Bearded old fat retrogrouches, you mean.
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If it was all about the speed or distance then why savor the journey.

The guy is a arrogant jerk for even talking to a customer that way.

Post the name of the shop here and those in your area can avoid him and let him know why!

Find another LBS.
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stick to your guns mate, you are doing fine, however i agree with everyone else ... find another lbs

i also lose weight on tours, even though i eat way more ... at 44, 6'4" and 230lbs, i don't really fit the fat guy mould, i just don't see the need to be shrink wrapped in lycra and need to go fast and ignore other riders anymore ...

touring is about the journey, not the destination ... touring is about the mental and physical challenges, the highs and the lows, the meeting people, the everyday adventure and then doing it all over again the next day ...
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I agree with rideabike.

There are many different people with still more opinions. You cannot change them all, nor do you actually want to. It will be pretty boring if everyone thinks the same.

Enjoy your tour! As long as you enjoy whatever you do, who cares?
Opinion: I do not like touring at all therefore never do it. It gives me no enjoyment whatsoever.

Insult: Touring is for old, fat people.

There can be a world full of differing opinions and I agree that it would be pretty boring if everyone were to think the same. The opinion as I have stated it is rather strongly expressed but if it were delivered in a tone of personal disclosure rather than put-down, I might see it as an invitation to dialogue.

In the second instance, as reported by babysaph, the guy is saying that something babysaph likes is for the wrong kind of people, rendering babysaph in a category of people he finds repulsive. It's tantamount to saying he finds his customer repulsive.

A response that makes it clear that such communication is unacceptable, such as walking out the door, is a demonstration of self-respect.

While I'm on this subject, as far as I know there is no law that prohibits being either old or fat....or tactless.
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OP, no need to do too much w.r.t. issue. Just email the store with the following link and the name/description of the clerk.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...96#post2427496
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If it were me I'd take every item I ever bought there and dump it on the counter for a refund, explaining that you've been convinced by the salesperson that touring really IS for old fat people and you don't want to be associated with it any longer. Cash please.
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Opinion: I do not like touring at all therefore never do it. It gives me no enjoyment whatsoever.

Insult: Touring is for old, fat people.

There can be a world full of differing opinions and I agree that it would be pretty boring if everyone were to think the same. The opinion as I have stated it is rather strongly expressed but if it were delivered in a tone of personal disclosure rather than put-down, I might see it as an invitation to dialogue.

In the second instance, as reported by babysaph, the guy is saying that something babysaph likes is for the wrong kind of people, rendering babysaph in a category of people he finds repulsive. It's tantamount to saying he finds his customer repulsive.

A response that makes it clear that such communication is unacceptable, such as walking out the door, is a demonstration of self-respect.

While I'm on this subject, as far as I know there is no law that prohibits being either old or fat....or tactless.
Absolutely, but we do not know how the delivery was do we? The bike owner/salesman could have said it with a wink and a smile. Then it is no longer an insult but rather a playful poke. The point is that across the internet, there are many things which we as readers could not know.

What I would do, is to let it go, and if I knew it was intended as an insult, not to go to the shop again. Afterall, why let a total stranger affect your enjoyment of the sport? It is simply not worth it to get all worked up over a nasty, obnoxious, crazy, rude salesperson at the bikeshop. Btw, the above is just my personal view. YMMV.
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He told me that most guys that tour gain weight not lose it. . . . Smart ass college puke. LOL.
I guaranty that, if you do 75 miles a day on a loaded touring bike, you will not gain weight, especially if you go for any appreciable time, and even if you eat nothing but banana splits. (Not recommended, BTW.) I also guaranty that your endurance, and probably your speed, will increase as if by magic.

As for the guy being a "smart ass college puke," that's redundent.

And as for needing to lose ten pounds, I'm jealous. If I had only ten extra pounds, I'd be thrilled right about now. If you do a multi-week tour, that ten pounds will be history. Just be sure to cut back on your food intake when your tour ends, or you'll have twenty pounds back on in no time. (This is the voice of personal experience speaking. )

Go tour. Have fun. But be warned - on the plan you have outlined, you are likely to get hooked. Bummer.
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