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    Components for Surly LHT?

    Okay, all this talk about the Surly LHT has gotten me very interested. I'm considering buying a frame and putting together the components over the course of the next year. Does anyone have any suggestions, or specifications to watch out for? I've never built up a bike before. I know nothing about what sizes bottom brackets come in, or the width of the dropouts, or whether an 8-, 9-, or 10 speed cluster would be more or less rugged. And what kind of chain do you need? (I don't know much, I admit it.)

    Right now I'm riding a 14-year-old Nashbar with Biopace chainrings and a 7-speed cluster.

    Here are some things I do know: I want rugged and reliable first, low-weight and trick second. I'm 6'4" and would be interested in the 62cm frame. I want bar-end shifters. I want to be able to pull heavy loads up steep hills - top speed is secondary. I want to be able to use wide 700mm tires. Right now I'm using 28mm tires, but would consider fatter - 34? 36? - to get more durability and the ability to ride trails (like the Katy Trail?). I want to be able to mount fenders. I like the Surly racks; I'd probably end up buying them, either with the framer or later (when my wallet had recovered somewhat.)

    If anyone with mechanical experience can enlighten me, I'd be grateful.

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    I'll chime in on a few of your questions.

    The LHT has 135mm rear dropouts, so any standard Mtn. hub will work. 8, 9, or 10 speed will all fit on the freehub body just fine. General consensus seems to say 10 sp is too narrow and not necessary for heavy touring. Some folks insist that 9 is too weak and that 8 is the only way to go, while others have had good luck on 9. I'd say either is a good choice--people have certainly been to some out of the way places on both. Your choice between them may come down to price and availability or speed that you want to collect parts. Also, match the chain to the cluster (8 sp uses an 8 sp chain, 9 uses 9, etc.). I personally like SRAM chains and find the powerlink handy.

    For LHT BBs, I believe you use a 68 (standard size English thread), rather than a 73 (oversized). When you buy a BB it usually lists two numbers and threading, such as 68 x 113 English. As mentioned, the first number is the BB shell size. The second number is the spindle length. This is predominantly determined by the crankset you pick--it has to do with getting the proper chainline between the crankset and the rear cluster. Ask when you pick out your crankset. FWIW, I like the Sugino XD600 crankset. You can get it from Harris Cycle. Call them up, tell them you're buying it for a LHT and they'll give you the right BB.

    Building a bike from the ground up isn't cheap and unless you're made of money (which I suspect you're not given your previous rig ) you'll end up making trade offs. The stuff I wouldn't skimp on are wheels and a headset. Everything else can be changed out over time as it wears out, but bad wheels will ruin a tour faster than anything, and a headset is something I want to mess with as infrequently as possible and I'd choose to pay for good quality there.

    Others will have different opinions and YMMV, but there are a few thoughts to get the ball rolling.

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    I wrote up a suggested component list on the Tullio's blog. It's a good starting point: http://tullios.blogspot.com/2006/05/...component.html.

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    Todd, what's a ballpark figure for cost of the components you listed on your blog, going with the cheaper options where you list more than one choice?
    -Sean

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    Have a look at the owners' rides section of the LHT group website: http://surlyville.net/
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    Dang, I thought this was about the component listing on the complete LHT being released in spring.
    Anyone know????

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    A good thing about building up a bike as I did mine is that I now know how to build a bike. Except I didn't build the wheels. I will learn though. It took me about 6 months to buy all the parts (one piece at a time when I had the cash) after I bought the frame. After I did the LHT, I bought a used Salsa road frame and built that too.

    Specs on the LHT are here:
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    Todd Heron has the right list. I differ a bit on the brake choice ( I like the Tektro Oryx or Shimano m550(pre 94 dx/xt). I would add the sun ryhno lite rims to the list

    I just replaced a XT dérailleur on an MTB that has lasted 16 years of riding and the XT hubs are still smooth. I have all XT components on a tandem with over 23,000 miles on it with CR18 rims ( The cr18 rim has been around since 1992)

    Problem with a pre built LHT from QBP is they are not going to put any XT parts on it and will not likely get a CR18 or Rhyno rim with DB spokes.

    If you got a year to diddle around you can pick up XT parts on EBay pretty inexpensively if you are patient. I just bought two lightly used XT dérailleurs on Ebay for $42 recently. I almost have a lifetime supply now.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=140045006264
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=140045007437

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    nobody has costs for their LHT build-up???

    I still haven't seen anyone specify what they used, and how much they paid, for building an LHT. Kinda surprising.

    Eric, the Surly link is to specs for the frameset, and has no info on components for the promised complete bike.

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    My LHT probably cost $3K CDN:
    58cm LHT Sage Green; - replaced with 56cm Cherry Pearl
    Derailleur, rear: Shimano XT;
    Derailleur, front: Shimano 105;
    Shifters: Shimano Dura Ace Barcons;
    Crankset: Nashbar Trekking 48/38/28;
    Bottom Bracket: Race Face 113mm ISIS;
    Pedals: Time Atac Z-Control;
    Cassette: Shimano Mega Range 11-34;
    Chain:SRAM 9spd;
    Hubs: Shimano LX 32h;
    Spokes: DT 2.0/1.8;
    Rims: Mavic CXP 33;
    Tyres: Schwalbe Marathon 32 & Marathon XR 35;
    Brake Levers: DiaCompe 287-V;
    Brakes: Shimano Deore v-brakes;
    Brake Pads: Koolstop;
    Saddle: Brooks Champion Flyer;
    Stem: Salsa 110, uncut fork;
    Handle Bars: Salsa Short n shallow 42cm;
    Rack, rear: Old Man Mountain Red Rocks;
    Rack, front: Old Man Mountain Cold Springs

    BTW - I had a warranty problem with my first frame and got a 56cm cherry pearl replacement. I'm 5' 11.5" and wear 32 inseam pants. The 58cm didn't leave me with any stand over clearance.
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    This is not for an LHT but what I paid to retrofit a Cannondale T800. I put the best stuff I could find on it because...well, I wanted to.

    Frame ...Complete bike... 900
    Headset... Red Chris King ...120
    Front Derailer... Stock... 0
    Rear Derailer... Stock... 0
    Front wheel... Phil Wood/Mavic ...185
    Rear wheel ...Phil Wood/Mavic ...379
    Handle bar... Salsa Bell lap ...25
    Seatpost... Race Face... 35
    Saddle... Brooks B17N... 100
    Crank... Race Face Turbine... 230
    Bottom Bracket... Race Face... 0
    Pedals... Shimano 520... 50
    Cassette... Sram... 60
    Brakes... IRC canti... 80
    Stem... Salsa Moto... 25
    Levers/shifter... Shimano 105... 100
    Rack, rear... Tubus Cargo... 100
    Rack, front... Tubus Tara... 88
    Tape... Cinelli/Fiz:k... 40
    red bits... Purely Custom... 55
    Pump... Topeak... 30
    Headset spacers... stock... 0
    Computer mount... Cateye... 20
    Bottle cages... Zefal... 30
    Cable/housing... 40
    2,692.00

    Extras for touring
    Bags, front... Ortlieb... 100
    Bags, rear... Ortlieb... 130
    Handlebar bag... Ortlieb... 80

    Subtotal: $3,002.00
    Tax and shipping (about 7.5%): $225
    Total: $3227

    $2327 of that is for the parts. This, of course, is probably the highest end you could go and is mostly silly. You can get cheaper parts but still expect to spend at least $1500 for the parts list.

    For tires: 37 mm are very nice. You can't pump them up as high to as high a pressure as you can narrower ones but the ride is very nice. I did a couple hundred miles on the Katy with 37mm and never had a problem.

    Gearing: go to the mountain bike side. I have a 46/34/20 on mine with an 11-34 9 spd cassette. Very low low, nice useable high gear. I found that the 44/11 combination was just too low for my tastes and for every day use but the 46 is a good compromise. A Shimano LX crank is a good crank and a good value. I'd pick a 9 spd system over a 10 any day. The Sora 8 spd isn't bad either.

    Oh, and here's the result
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    Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
    Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
    Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
    Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
    An Good Ol' Fashion Appalachian Butt Whoopin'.

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    Hello CYCcommutes,
    May I ask (please) for any more specifics about your front crank / rear derailluer and shifters? I'm having a little difficulty persuading an LBS that there's a specific combo that'll work, and it sounds like you've got an ideal gear range. Is there a specific set of front chain rings you've used? etc.

    And (second question if I may) could you have swaped the 46 for a 48 chain ring, or would that have not worked?

    I appreciate your advice because I'm no expert on these things - I know what I'd like, but I'm not sure what exact combo to ask for. Thanks in advance,
    Ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by edtrek
    Hello CYCcommutes,
    I appreciate your advice because I'm no expert on these things - I know what I'd like, but I'm not sure what exact combo to ask for. Thanks in advance,
    Ed
    Hi Ed,

    If you are keen on a LHT there is a mailing list for that bike.

    http://groups.google.com/group/SurlyLHT

    Join the list and ask away.
    safe riding - Vik
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    Quote Originally Posted by edtrek
    Hello CYCcommutes,
    May I ask (please) for any more specifics about your front crank / rear derailluer and shifters? I'm having a little difficulty persuading an LBS that there's a specific combo that'll work, and it sounds like you've got an ideal gear range. Is there a specific set of front chain rings you've used? etc.

    And (second question if I may) could you have swaped the 46 for a 48 chain ring, or would that have not worked?

    I appreciate your advice because I'm no expert on these things - I know what I'd like, but I'm not sure what exact combo to ask for. Thanks in advance,
    Ed
    The crank is a RaceFace turbine LP with an ISIS bottom bracket. The bottom bracket was a RaceFace but I changed my chainline (don't remember the spindle length but I think it's now a 113mm) and the bottom bracket is an FSA (I think). The cranks haven't been made for a couple of years but they are great cranks and you can still find them on clearance or sometimes Ebay. It originally came with a 44/34/22 but I found a 46 and I had a 20 for it. I don't think you can find a 48 for the 94mm bolt circle diameter (BCD) but if you could find a 110mm BCD crank there are lots of 48's floating around for those. The 46, however, is a nice compromise and it's easier to find a 94mm BCD crank then a 110mm.

    The shifters are Shimano 105 STI 9 spd/triple. The rear derailer is an XT and the front derailer is Tiagra. I have another bike with an Ultegra triple front derailer and I think the Tiagra is actually a better derailer for triples. It seems to shift a bit better. I tried mating the shifter to an LX front but that just wouldn't work

    The only problem I had with putting the whole thing together was with the chainline. I think I had a 117mm bottom bracket and that was just too wide. In terms of shifting, everything works very well. It even worked well with a 44 tooth chainring. The height of the front derailer has to be adjusted to the proper height for the chainring but otherwise it's the same as any bike.

    The only modification to the shift system from a stock system is the addition of 2 V-brake noodles at the shift levers so that I could fit a handlebar bag. Even that hasn't casued any problems. Attached is a closeup of the noodle.
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    Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
    Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
    Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
    Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
    An Good Ol' Fashion Appalachian Butt Whoopin'.

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    Costs for my 06 LHT: $ 1,450.00 included the following (installed) thru my LBS ready to ride out the door:

    62 cm LHT frame in black cherry
    Shimano Ultegra - long cage
    Z chain
    Truvativ touring cranks 175 mm.
    Deore XT Front der. 50 / 36 compact double
    SRAM 12 - 28 8-speed rear cassette
    Shimano MB 2200 wheelset 32-spoke wheels w/ Armadillo 700cc 32 mm tires & extra set of 28 mm tires
    Origin 8 flat top road bar wrapped with 2 layers of bar tape
    Shimano 8/9 barend shifters
    Delta front stem extension
    Origin 8 carbon seatpost w/ Specialized BG seat
    Tektro centerpull brakes and added brake accessible from right side of hood
    Pyramid clipless / flat pedals (for commuting I use the flats in street shoes)

    Weight for the above is right at 27 lbs.

    Not included in above sum & added by me later:

    OMM Cold Spring rear rack
    Arkel Commuter pannier
    Lights: front headlamp is Specialized 'Fireball' offroad set (won by my son in LBS raffle at MTB rally)
    rear lamps are Cateye Super Blinky attached to seat post & Cateye TL-LD170 blinky hooked to pannier

    So total investment is around $ 1700 or thereabouts? I am 6'5" and 220 lbs so this is not a small bike. Because the 62 cm is still lower than the 68 cm I really need, the stem extension was installed to bring my road bars up even with the seat. I've been putting 50+ miles a week on this bike commuting 8 miles RT daily and love it. On weekends I will use the clipless pedals and ride for 25 - 30 miles on recreational routes out into the countryside.

    My LBS gives lifetime tuneups for buying it there. I haven't ridden this bike on a tour yet but probably will fly with it to Canada next summer for a cycling vacation. Am very satisfied with the setup, the ride, the quality of components. The barend shifters have taken some getting used to and the extra brake lever is nice so when I'm negotiating traffic and pedestrians I can stay up on the hoods. Two wrappings of bar tape cushion my hands & wrists well and I have no problems with carpal tunnel flareup on extended rides.
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    Thank you, Vik and Woody.
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