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Old 04-25-03, 09:36 AM   #1
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Giant OCR Touring vs Trek 520

ive basically come to the decision that i will be purchasing one of these 2 bikes. i'm leaning more towards giant because i like the idea of the disk brakes ( in my heart i know thats a bit silly ). i want a bike that can handle loaded touring. i know that the gears will need to be changed on the trek. any reasons to go with one over the other? the giant msrp is a bit higher. dealer said $1000. for the Trek and $1300. for the giant.

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Just bought a Cannondale T2000. So far I really like the ride. It has a nice component package and is setup for touring. I don't know why most people mention the Trek 520 and don't include Cannondale as a good choice. Check it out. I liked it better than the the Trek 520.

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/03/cusa/model-3TR2.html
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Thanks for the tip, what was the MSRP on it?
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The drivetrain on the Giant is simply stupid for a touring bike, stupider than the Trek. It's a straight 105 road gruppo. To make this bike suitable for loaded touring you'd need to change not only the cassette but the RD as well.

I think disc brakes are a fine idea for a touring bike (or a commuter) as long as you don't expect to get so far from civilization that you can't get parts if you need them.

Personally I'd prefer to see 36-spoke wheels on a touring bike, but build quality and proper preparation are more important than spoke count alone.

For the price of this bike or a Cannondale, you could have a Bruce Gordon BLT. Now *that's* a touring bike!

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The T2000 is $1,500 but the T800 is about $1,000. It's one step down but still a good bike.
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Bruce is really calling my name
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There is a thread from last year back a page or two on this Touring Forum comparing the 520 to the BG BLT. There are interesting comments, including (or some might say in addition to) my own.

I was weighing the 520 vs. the BLT myself last year. Without rehearsing my comments on the other thread, I can say that I bought the 520 because my LBS was reasonably generous in its sales offer. They replaced the 105 set with LX for free, and charged me only a small amount to replace the stock 520 rims with Mavic Touring rims. That left only two important differences between the BLT and the 520. First, the possibility that the BLT's frame walls were a bit thicker than the 520's. (I say possibility because Trek doesn't say for sure just how thick its frame walls are.) Second, the BLT would have been somewhere around $300 dollars (U.S.) more expensive.

The modern 520 frame has stood up to long tours all over the world, so I didn't see sufficient importance to the (possible) frame upgrade to buy the BLT.

So, in short, the decision for me was determined by the extent to which the LBS was willing to upgrade the stock 520 cheaply.

As far as the Giant vs. the 520, I wouldn't worry about the materials per se in the respective frames as much as the overall quality of frame builds from each company. Aluminum frame failures are rare in any bikes nowadays, including mtbs. However, the Giant Touring uses the same frame as the rest of the OCR racing line! That would give rise to a healthy suspicion in me. When I consider that performing the Giant experiment would cost me extra money too, it is hard to get too excited about this option. Yes, the AL frame does provide a significant weight reduction. And, yes, you get the disk brakes. But a road frame? I wouldn't do it.
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I think that you are wrong about the Giant touring bike being the same frame as the OCR. By just going to the giant page, you can see that the touring bike has longer chainstays and a bit more laid back seat tube. I think it has a bit more laid back head tube as well. Also. The OCR touring frame has rack mounts as well as disc mounts. The OCR racing and the OCR touring frames are two different animals.
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I think that you are wrong about the Giant touring bike being the same frame as the OCR. By just going to the giant page, you can see that the touring bike has longer chainstays and a bit more laid back seat tube. I think it has a bit more laid back head tube as well. Also. The OCR touring frame has rack mounts as well as disc mounts. The OCR racing and the OCR touring frames are two different animals.
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You're right about everything you mention about the OCR touring frame. I shouldn't have said the "same" frame. I said that thinking about the thickness of the frame. There's nothing to indicate that that the frame is specially reinforced. My thought was that if Giant did reinforce the frame they'd mention it.

If that isn't true, if it's true that the frame is thicker and actually built specifically for touring, then my concerns are mistaken. The bike would be worth taking a serious look at.
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It seems to me that it would be logical to put in frame reinforcements in the frame...they put a spoke holder for pete's sake! But people are not logical.

Either way, I get your point, Merriwether.
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I have seen almost all the economical yet quality touring bike so far. Yes, the Giant OCR touring is an attractive touring bike with their disc brakes mounted. these are useful because it provide more stopping power and won't hurt the rim surface. New disc brake are also becoming lighter too.
However the problem with this bike is not the brake. it is the material of the frame. some experts don't like an aluminum frame because it don't absorb shock as good as steel from uneven road which make it less comfortable over long distance. However most cyclist find it not a problem at all. but an aluminim frame do become harder to repair if broken and cannot be S & S coupled like a joined water piple for easy transport etc
I personally feel Giant are new with touring bike, so there is a risk that this bike might not be good enough compare to trek 520. when there isnt much reviews from comsumers, there always a risk involved. do you agree with me? pls check also the maximum tyres clearance for the frame. if it cannot allow tyres 37mm and above. I dont advise you to buy it for touring.
I personally would recommend The jamis aurora touring Bike. http://www.jamisbikes.com/ This bike was voted Consumer's Digest "Best Buy for middle range price. so its worth to take a look. good luck
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thanks for all the advice guys, in the end i decided to go with a Harry Havnoonian bike built just for me . his shop also sells giant, so i had gone in to talk about the OCR and found out he builds frames. he spent over an hour measuring me and talking about the bike. and the fact there was a tandem in the shop he built to be raced in the olympics didnt hurt his credibility with me either .
anyway this way i get a custom bike at about the same price as the BLT but built by someone whose shop is only about 5 miles from my house. I'm pretty excited, gonna be a few weeks and i cant wait
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