Anyone own, ridden or seen any reviews on this bike?
No as of yet: German-made Tout-Terrain Panamericana bike frame, and with the exchange, very pricey. In the USA, Peter White Cycles is the importer. You might email them for reviews info. If anyone could give you direction it would be Peter. Just guessing, that setup pictured would run well over USD 6,000. Lots of top-end complete tourers could be had for much less, included fully suspended with Rohloff and disc brakes, so this bike will never be common.
The only really noteworthy feature is rear suspension being integrated to allow a rear rack. It does look as though the rear rack will move around a lot for all that thought provoking engineering. I suppose it doesn't move so much as to disturb the attachment. Overall I would probably bet on a front suspension bike with the fanciest seat post suspension before this idea, or a very serious cantilever system with a rear suspension, I have that on a recumbent, and it works fine. I'd like to test drive one, they are cool.
Sakkit was working on a suspension bike, not sure whether he worked anything out though. He would for sure sweat the rack and panier details though.
Makes it more of an XC MTB. For that price, you are in Nicolai territory.
Interesting but perhaps over-engineered. The other bike from the same manufacturer, the Silk Road, looks a little more practical, but still very pricey.
yeh its a mtb - with the long top tube length almost no one could comfortably fit a drop bar and reasonable length (90 mm min) stemOriginally Posted by CHenry
the chainstays are nearly standard length for a mtb too - you'd think a bike with integral rack would have chainstays long enough to avoid pannier heel strike. its not well designed for this reason alone.
Hi everybody, I know this thread is kind of old, but there is a review available in UK magazine of the Panamericana.
There are quite a few concern adressed mentioned in this thread.
Like the idea of integrated rear rack. But you miss out on stuff like the Topeak MTX click-in system.
Anyone ever tried touring on dual suspension?
Well after reading that review I'm left thinking the reviewer missed the boat on a few of his observations/comments:
- on most suspension systems you cannot run them fully loaded without air or replace a suspension shock with a solid member. The design of the frame/fork assumes the impact forces from the wheels are absorbed partially by the spring. Without the spring in place [in this case air pressure] you would be transmitting much higher peak loads to the bike/fork and I would be surprised if you didn't permanently damage it riding fully loaded on a rough track.
- if your hydraulic disc brakes fail replacing them with V-brakes is a poor solution. It assumes you have rim brake surfaces on your wheels and you are carrying two spare v-brakes, cables and suitable levers. You really have to ask yourself why not mount the v-brakes to start with and carry a couple spare cables and pads????
- 12 pivot points???...yikes...no matter how well sealed they are going to need attention on a long off-road/dirt road tour.
I'm a technology geek, but this bike and Africa are not two words I'd use together. The failure of suspension components on the Great Divide Trail Race highlights how tough even non-technical long distance riding can be off pavement and the GDR guys are not carrying heavy loads.
I think the Thorn EXP with wide tires is a much more reliable and proven solution.
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We have toured with the Panamericana, also in Africa.
some commets from my side:
There is no comparison between a wide tire and real suspension. The comfort of a wide tire with little air is really nice if you do gravelled roads, but it rolls not too good. The suspended bike can run at full tire pressure with low resistance and still be really comfortable. In really off-road terrain, especially with full cargo load, you dont want to go back if you have experienced the full suspended touring.
for the hydraulic disc brakes: the disc brakes are so much more reliable than cantilever. the key question is really, why do you want to brake on a rim, that is at least as crucial as a brake. you weaken the part that you ride on, which also carries extreme loads and gets (at least on an unsuspendend bike) all the bumps. the question is, how often did you break a hydraulic hose? in mountain biking disc brakes are the standard now, just because they have so many advantages (e.g. brake power, espcecially in wet conditions; no rim wear)
Of course new advanced technology always bears a certain risk, but the rohloff hubs shows, where this can lead to - 5 years ago also everybody was afraid of failure and now a lot of people just love it.
Having owned several full suspension mountain bikes my experience with them is they are indeed wonderful and tame a rough trail in a way no fat tire/rigid bike can, BUT it isn't a question of if they'll need to be fixed and parts replaced - just when.
Perhaps with FEDEX reaching more and more parts of the globe these days this isn't an issue any longer????
I held off on a rohloff for several years because of this issue, I finally bit the bullet and bought a thorn last year. Of course, since then I have become aware of not one but several failures of the hub flange on rohloff hubs.
I agree with your points on disk brakes and full suspension on touring bikes.
Well thats at least two Rohloffs in Calgary, that I know about.
Do you know anybody else that has one?
Exactly what I was thinking.Nope - I haven't heard of anyone else with one although I'm sure they are here. A city of 1 million has to support more than 2 Rohloff hubs.
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>Anyone own, ridden or seen any reviews on this bike?
Cathy and I just completed a six-month trip on these bikes in South America:
In summary, no problems at all with the bikes, tons of heel clearance, super comfy over really rough terrain carrying heavy loads (15 litres of water and full camping gear for a six month trip).
We got lots of envious comments from cyclists on rigid bikes bouncing their way along hundreds of kilometers of washboard corrugated roads.
I cant speak to the panamericana, but I have a TT silkroad and the bike is amazingly well-constructed and thought out. I would recommend it to anyone. I have used drop bars and flat bars on it and they both work flawlessly. Its a great bike, and Im not surprised to hear that the panamericana was well executed... sounds like a dream trip, congrats!
edit: I swap stems between drop and flat bars... about 30mm (IIRC) difference between the two.
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oops i missed johns post.
I still want to drool all over that mavrick fork w' dyno goodness.
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