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    Surly KArate Monkey or Pugsley for Great Divide

    I am starting to think about this ride for the summer of 08'. I am leaning toward a BOB trailer and a Rohloff equipped hardtail. Would Pugsley be overkill? Looks like it would be plush and more reliable than full suspension. Any thoughts?

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    IŽm not exactly familliar with the terrain youŽre gonna be riding but IŽd say that the Pugsley is overkill for any extended length of touring. Plus, a lot of parts on it are unique to the pugsley and would be a PITA to try and get a hold of during tour.
    I agree with you about getting a non-suspended bike though, and Rohloffs seem to be an excellent choice. Perhaps the surly 1x1? Thorn nomad? Or if you want something really bombproof, you could look at dirt/street/DH frames from 243 Racing. Steel, naturally. Then maybe a DMR or on-one fork up front and youŽd be set.
    /Erik

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    i agree that the pugsley is overkill and i heard that the tyres cost like 135 bucks! (is this right?)

    get da monkey in my opinion. i'm havin' one built up as we speak around a rohloff.
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    The Long Haul Trucker is the standard road touring frame offered by Surly. KM looks like it's more a mountain bike than a touring or cross bike.

    Should we assume you do not plan lots of off-road, as you plan to use a trailer?

    What happened to the Downtubes, by the way?

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    Kent Peterson did it last year on a single speed Redline Monocog and had good things to say about that frame. The Pugsly seems like it would be a bit much -- but still very comfortable and a lot of fun. The Karate Monkey is probably closer to reasonable for that terrain, though I think I could manage much of the route on my Cross Check with some wider tires.
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    I read the daily journal of three guys who did the entire Great Divide Trail from North to South.
    They all rode hardtail MTB's with front suspension and Xtracycles.
    I remember them saying that they they would be hating life without the suspension forks.
    The washboard surface of the dirt roads is their reason for saying this.
    They also said that the Xtracycle smoothed out the ride somewhat. Two of the three Xtracycles broke during the trip but I got the impression that they were none too careful about how they rode.
    I'd say the Pugsley is overkill and the KM is perfect.
    You can run a suspension fork on the KM if you so desire and, of course, disk brakes.
    Yuo can run the fattest XC mountain bike tires
    In my size, the head and seat angles are identical to the Pacer, Surly's road bike.

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    I rode the Divide on a Bruce Gordon RNR rigid bike with 700x47 Schwalbe Marathon XR tires with 2 panniers and rear stuffer. No problems. I met many riders with suspension who were looking for bike shops to repair their shocks. The simpler the better for me.

    The Karate Monkey can handle larger 700c tires which would be a plush ride on a rigid bike in my experience with a friend's KM with Big Apple tires.

    The Pugsley would be overkill by a wide margin.

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    Off Road with BOB Trailer

    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
    Should we assume you do not plan lots of off-road, as you plan to use a trailer?
    We ride pretty darn technical and rough trails with our BOB trailers doing trail work in SoCal.

    Note the guys riding up the trail, that's me pushing.


    Me pushing again, I swear I ride with the trailer:


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    Interesting blog from a guy who did the Great Divide with his comments on the BOB and on bikes:
    http://www.trek4fun.com/great_divide...ob_trailer.htm
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    Downtubes are great, I am taking my mini on a "mini" tour next week (if the weather is OK ). However the Great Divide is a serious off trek that probably wouldn't be well suited for 16'' wheels (correct me if I am mistaken). Sounds like the Pugsley is too bizarre even if it looks like a great machine!

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