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Old 03-01-07, 02:37 AM   #1
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front rack?

so i'm stuck between buying a low-rider front rack like the tubus tara or a front rack with a top shelf like the jandd extreme front rack.

i'm wondering if the ortlieb front roller classic panniers are compatible with the jandd front extreme rack?
if it is great, cos i like the option of mounting the panniers high or low on the jandd front extreme rack

any advice?

is the jandd compatible with the ortlieb pannier?

pro's and cons' of front lowrider v's front topshelf?
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pro's and cons' of front lowrider v's front topshelf?

Run a search in the forum. I, and many others, have asked this very question many times.
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I think Otliebs and most paniers will fit most racks particularly this one. But I haven't done this particular combination.

I agree with the above observation also, about the high low rack threads.

Another similar rack is the Surly front rack.
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I prefer a front rack with a shelf and the potential to be able to mount the panniers high. I normally mount them on the lowrider rack, but on one tour the weather was super crappy and with the panniers mounted low they were getting totally soaked, so raised them up and it helped. I did both road and expedition touring on the same bike for a while, with the low it helped stability, with the load high I had the ground clearance I needed. I also like the front rack for being able to strap a light load on in a pinch, like a big bag of TP when I go to the store.

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I think Otliebs and most paniers will fit most racks particularly this one. But I haven't done this particular combination.

I agree with the above observation also, about the high low rack threads.

Another similar rack is the Surly front rack.
Looking at the rack, it doesn't look like there would be problems.

Personally, I'm not a fan of high mount racks. I just don't find them that useful. All of the gear I carry...which is considerable...fits in both bags and the rear deck. I also carry a handle bar bag which would interfere with stuff on the front rack. Since you are using Ortliebs, water isn't an issue, unless you are riding in water over your hubs...then the bags become float bags
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I have no specific need for one front rack style over another. I am just trying to think what might best suit.
my thoughts are that the lowrider immediately restricts the height at which the front panniers can be mounted. where-as, what i like about the top shelf design, the topshelf style gives you the option to mount the panniers higher or lower and also the option to carry a light load on the shelf!

my plan is to buy the ortlieb roller classics, front and back, and a tubus logo rear rack.
i was going to buy the tubus tara but now i am thinking of getting the surly nice front rack (very pricey though) or the jannd extreme front rack.

so you folks reckon that the ortlieb front roller panniers should fit fine on the jannd extreme front rack?

should i be getting steel racks, like the tubus, or is aluminium good for the job of touring?
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They will definitely fit. I have the Ortlieb front roller classics and the Jandd extreme front rack. I've had no problems with the fit.
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I have used an Old Man Mountain Cold Springs front rack with a bag lashed to it containing all my tools and spare parts. I also used a handle bar bag and there was no interference between the two.

I really liked that setup as it allowed me to run just two rear panniers and get a bunch of the weight up front without resorting to two more panniers. I had no adverse handling issues with the weight on top of the front rack.

Whatever setup you go with be sure to test it out with your full touring load and see how you like it prior to a major tour.
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yes, get the one with the shelf. like others have mentioned, much more versatile & the orts fit fine.
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my plan is to buy the ortlieb roller classics, front and back, and a tubus logo rear rack.
i was going to buy the tubus tara but now i am thinking of getting the surly nice front rack (very pricey though) or the jannd extreme front rack.
I have the surly front and love the shelf. Also the tubus logo. Here's a pic from my first solo tour last summer. Note the soft-shell lunch box atop the front rack!

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I have no specific need for one front rack style over another. I am just trying to think what might best suit.
my thoughts are that the lowrider immediately restricts the height at which the front panniers can be mounted. where-as, what i like about the top shelf design, the topshelf style gives you the option to mount the panniers higher or lower and also the option to carry a light load on the shelf!

my plan is to buy the ortlieb roller classics, front and back, and a tubus logo rear rack.
i was going to buy the tubus tara but now i am thinking of getting the surly nice front rack (very pricey though) or the jannd extreme front rack.

so you folks reckon that the ortlieb front roller panniers should fit fine on the jannd extreme front rack?

should i be getting steel racks, like the tubus, or is aluminium good for the job of touring?
I don't have anything against something like the Jannd. I, personally, just haven't found much need for the front deck. But I don't need excess capacity while on tour because my bags aren't completely full. Looking at Lolly Pop's set up, I also use regular road bars which decrease the utility of the upper shelf even more. Her's is nice and looks very useful but I don't like flat bars for touring.

I also like the way that the Tara looks
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Keep in mind the Jandd front rack is heavy. I purchased one when I picked up my Jandd rear rack. They are both very sturdy pieces of equipment. The rear rack is working great for me, but the front rack seemed heavy and awkward. Also, the back of the front rack hit my downtube when the fork was turned at extreme angles. Not a problem when riding, but is a problem when maneuvering the bike in tight quarters.

I ended up taking it off and saving it for when I do my “big” tour someday. For day to day use, I bought a $10 bor yuen from Nashbar which meets my needs quite nicely.
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Here's my Cannondale T800 with Tubus Tara front rack loaded with Ortlieb Front Roller Plus panniers:-


I cycled round all the north Seattle bike shops & eventually found a front rack that would fit at Greggs Greenlake. They also had a Jandd in but it appeared a bit bulky compared to the simplistic Tara (which can be dismantled & stored flat if required!). I'm really happy with it & the bags. I nearly bought some Blackburn low-riders (braze-on) over from England but I'm glad I didn't; they wouldn't have fit well, if at all, and the bracing arch of the Tara does keep the bags very steady.
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Here's my Cannondale T800 with Tubus Tara front rack loaded with Ortlieb Front Roller Plus panniers:-

I cycled round all the north Seattle bike shops & eventually found a front rack that would fit at Greggs Greenlake. They also had a Jandd in but it appeared a bit bulky compared to the simplistic Tara (which can be dismantled & stored flat if required!). I'm really happy with it & the bags. I nearly bought some Blackburn low-riders (braze-on) over from England but I'm glad I didn't; they wouldn't have fit well, if at all, and the bracing arch of the Tara does keep the bags very steady.
The Ortliebs don't fit on the old Blackburn racks either. There's a brace across the top the interferes with the Ortlieb hooks...at least on my mid-80's ones.
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Keep in mind the Jandd front rack is heavy. I purchased one when I picked up my Jandd rear rack. They are both very sturdy pieces of equipment. The rear rack is working great for me, but the front rack seemed heavy and awkward. Also, the back of the front rack hit my downtube when the fork was turned at extreme angles. Not a problem when riding, but is a problem when maneuvering the bike in tight quarters.
Had one and traded it in for this same reason. Scratched my paint several times before I noticed - though mainly from klutzes who hit my bike parking theirs, and one accident where the handlebars got spun completely around.

I also found that it wasn't suited to an oversized fork at all, as it matched the rake of my fork almost perfectly and scratched some of the paint there.

I would say try it on the bike first if you can, just to see how it fits.
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so i had a look at the following manufacturers:
Surly
Jandd
Tubus
Old Mountain
Headland (I think these are Old Mountain racks)

anyway they all have something to offer, some expensive, some heavy, some croMoly.

Has anyone ever had to repair an aluminium rack on tour?

i like the idea of going with steel racks (Tubus,Surly) but have folks really ever broken their aluminium racks?

Tubus surly is out, too expensive.
jandd is a contenter because of the price and the top shelf front rack
tubus is a contender because of its reputation and the rear rack is nice and clean
old mountain is out, too expensive
so too is headland, too expensive.

so i'm down to this:

Rear:
Jandd Expedition Rack
Tubus Logo Expedition
Tubus Cargo

Front:
Jandd Extreme Front Rack
Jandd Low Front Rack
Tubus Tara

I'd buy the Logo over the Cargo because of the build, it looks stronger/more durable.
The Jandd Expedition Rack is $30 or so cheaper than the Logo, but it's heavier too.

I'd buy the Tubus Tara over the Jandd Low Front Rack, because of it's reputation.
But I would choose the Jandd Extreme Front Rack because of the topshelf, eventhough it is much heavier
than the lowrider style.

please confirm my thoughts or advise me otherwise : )

looking forward to your replies!

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I have a touring bike outfitted with BOTH a jannd lowrider and a bor yueh front rack from Nashbar. I also bought the (Jannd) front rack at Gregg's Greenlake in Seattle- (for great rides shop at Gregg's)


lightish, lighter than the jannd extreme, i'm betting. (does it matter while fully loaded?), no clearance issues.

I really like the advantage of a front deck while touring. I can strip off my gloves, jacket, while riding and stuff them under a bungie on the front rack, hold a newspaper picked up in the morning for reading later in the day, a bag of lunch foods or food from the store without having to stuff it in the panniers....

the top shelf greatly adds versatility.
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