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Old 03-05-07, 12:48 AM   #1
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Attaching front rack with cable ties. Am I mad?

Are about to leave on a trip around the South Island of NZ in a couple of weeks. This will be my first cycling tour so I'm spending a lot of time getting set up. Due to insufficient funds I'm doing this trip on my 06 Giant xtc2 with a Surly Instigator fork installed. Now the problem starts with trying to attach a cheap Bor Yueh low rider front rack. I've mounted the lower mount through what I gather is the fender eyelet using an extra long bolt with nuts as spacers to bring the racks out enough to clear the thick legs of the fork.

Now the problem is with attaching the top of the rack to the fork leg. In the absence of an eyelet, they've provided a U clamp. Now the problem is that the holes in the rack this goes through lines up perfectly on the disk side of the fork with blocks on the fork the hydraulic disk hose is attached to, and there seems no way around this.

So what I've tried is some extra thick cable ties. They're about 5 mm wide. I've put a couple around the leg and they seem very secure. But am I taking a crazy risk touring NZ with such a setup, considering my big bags are going on the front and it will be taking a fair bit of weight?

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But on the other hand, lots of crazy things have been done through the ages. What you are suggesting is not as crazy as, for example, fabricating evidence about weapons of mass destruction, invading one of the major Middle East powers and holding your allies' citizents in legal limbo without trial for over 5 years.

Carry lots of spare cable ties and check both the bolts and the cable ties regularly. And don't start a major land war in Asia.
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If cable ties prove unable to hold the rack you might carry a few steel hose clamps and a few strips of rubber tubing to hold it. Tighten the clamps over the tubing to protect your frame.

Before leaving home you might fill your packs with rocks and ride around town to see if it will hold.
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Thanks fellas. I'll give the rock thing a go but if my current setup doesn't work my ideas will be running out. I guess some rough hose clamps would keep it in place at least if worst comes to worst.
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I used cable ties on my tour of the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina. It was my first tour and didn't really know much, but ended up securing the rear rack to my buddy's frame with a few heavy duty ties. I can't say it'll work for you guaranteed, but give it a test at least.
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So you got there with it tied up in the end? No dramas?
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Thanks fellas. I'll give the rock thing a go but if my current setup doesn't work my ideas will be running out. I guess some rough hose clamps would keep it in place at least if worst comes to worst.
Don't use rocks! Use bags of rice. It's easier on the panniers, cleaner, almost as cheap and you can eat it when you are done.
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Yeah it was fine, but if there's any other more secure way I would go with that. Also I don't remember how many different ties we used.
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Conventional wisdom says to put more weight in the front panniers. If you're going to attach them with cable ties, you might want to think about putting light bulky items up there to keep the weight as low as possible.
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But on the other hand, lots of crazy things have been done through the ages. What you are suggesting is not as crazy as, for example, fabricating evidence about weapons of mass destruction, invading one of the major Middle East powers and holding your allies' citizents in legal limbo without trial for over 5 years.

Carry lots of spare cable ties and check both the bolts and the cable ties regularly. And don't start a major land war in Asia.
Do you use every question as a chance to voice your political views
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I broke a mounting clip on my rear Kirtland rear pannier about 3 days into a 3 month trip. Replaced that clip with a cable tie and other than the inconvenience it worked great.
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Don't use rocks! Use bags of rice. It's easier on the panniers, cleaner, almost as cheap and you can eat it when you are done.
Real cycling tourers know that rocks are an excellent source of minerals and, when correctly used, help sharpen teeth to help them tear apart their prey. And if you thought giardia cleared out your system well...
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Only 2 so far, from memory. Could be more, feel free to correct me. Might be better to do it off post, though.

I have PMd you about the post.

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I've had a look through the forums and there's a setting called the "ignore list" on your control panel that you should feel very free to add me to. That way I can say what I want, and you can read what you want!
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My rear rack is attached to my seatstay with one of those plastic adaptors commonly used to hold a blinkie light. It was put on in 2000. I expected it to last a month or two, but has held since for up loaded commuting and weeklong tours.

And the advice about not starting land wars in Asia was good I assumed it was an obscure reference to Alexander the Great.

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What's red and bad for your teeth?






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"A brick"

Which would be another pretty cheap/clean way to test your cable tie mounting system. I know that I have used zip ties before when I lost a bolt, and learned this lesson: do not put the tie through any eyelets cuz the edges of those are sharp. I ended up breaking my first tie after half a mile, and tried again using several just to "lash" it to the correct spot. It still sagged before I got home.

Hose clamps sound more promising.
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Cable ties usually fail due to side loads (I have my sandals cable-tied together). I've used them to help support racks, but try to have bolts where possible. My front rack has u-bolts on the fork, with cable ties helping. If your bike falls over (you don't crash, right?) the cable ties tend to break due to the sudden side load.
Oh, and don't start a land war in Asia.
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I had cable tied sandles they worked great. I would look at some kind of U-bolt arangement where the rack piece is held by ne of the bolt ends on the U-bolt legs. Getting one the right size that isn't too heay is a potential problem. it's not to difficult to bend you own using threded rod on fine rod witht he ends threaded.
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One thing to be aware of with bolts is that they can loosen.
You can either glue them, which makes it hard to adjust stuff, or lube them, which makes it easier to adjust, but you have to check them more often.

After stripping some bolt heads and half an eyelet thread I lube and check.
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I've done it. I used three heavy-duty zipties on each side of my fork to hold my Jandd rack in place. Solid as a rock. It even held things together for a whole weekend or longer of daily commuting and errands when I broke my right fork blade almost all the way through by the fork crown (it took me a few days to figure out where that vibration was coming from when I braked!). That rack and those zipties kept me from eating pavement. Just keep an eye on it, you should be fine.
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Cable ties. Poor man's rivets (just don't try making an ocean liner with them. I think real rivets are best for that).
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