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Originally Posted by vik
Okay hitting a severe pot hole would be "not normal use" and I could see breaking a spoke. Over loading a wheel is also beyond normal use. But, I submit that a well built wheel loaded appropriately to its design should not break any spokes - especially shouldn't break lots of spokes as was mentioned above. Of course this doesn't include accidents or things getting caught in the spokes, cars running over the wheel, etc..
The failure of spokes because of movement is the reason that I build my wheels with Alpine III spokes. There's no room for the spoke to move...okay, maybe 0.01mm It's worked well enough that I have a 5+ year old mountain bike wheel that's the first one I've ever had that hasn't broken any spokes in that amount of time.
I was puzzling about this topic this morning on my ride in an wondering if straight pull spokes wouldn't be a better choice for touring. No bend to flex or be the weak point.
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Actually the spoke would only move if it were to lose all tension an go into compression, otherwise the tension keeps the elbow against the hub in the same spot. This would be extremely unlikely because usually each spoke carries something like 60 kilograms of tension or more and you're typically loading 4 spokes at a time, maybe 5 if its a 36 spoke wheel.
Read "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.
Butted spokes are actually more fatigue resistant than straight gauge spokes.
The "weak point" is actually at the nipple and at the elbow where most of the stress from concentrators like threads and the bend is. By butting the spoke the middle will flex the most while the thicker ends will be effected less. This distributes the stress instead of having it even higher at the ends of the spoke, extending fatigue life.
Butted spokes make for a longer lasting but not quite as stiff wheel. Straight gauge spokes will build a stiffer wheel but it won't really be stronger.
Read "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.
Butted spokes are actually more fatigue resistant than straight gauge spokes.
The "weak point" is actually at the nipple and at the elbow where most of the stress from concentrators like threads and the bend is. By butting the spoke the middle will flex the most while the thicker ends will be effected less. This distributes the stress instead of having it even higher at the ends of the spoke, extending fatigue life.
Butted spokes make for a longer lasting but not quite as stiff wheel. Straight gauge spokes will build a stiffer wheel but it won't really be stronger.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
It's a personal choice really. I've never liked the 'tail wagging the dog' feel of a heavy rear load (even commuting with a trunk bag I can get this feel) especially on high speed descents or when standing. I have similar problems with a trailer which is just an extreme version of rear mounted bags. Front bags, with 60% of the load, dampen the steering and make descents more controllable in my experience.