Isn't weight relative?
04-07-07, 04:01 PM
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Isn't weight relative?
Ok, so here it is... I'm planning a tour from Seattle to Northern Cali, and am researching a few more necessary items yet to be purchased. ( Tent, sleeping bag, sleeping mat, and some assorted camping gear) I am looking at my options for tents, and weight seems to be the ultimate decision maker about what is tour appropriate, or not... Or is it? I'm a large man (330 lbs) and I consequently do not have a particularly light bike. I'm looking at tents that may double the amount of space that I have inside the tent, but at a cost of 4-6 lbs...
What I'm getting at, is that between my fully loaded bike, and fully figured body (workin' on that), I have a total package(Gross Vehicle Weight) in the neighborhood of 400 lbs
... Comparatively, a 180lbs man with a much more modestly loaded machine could be in the ballpark of 230-250 lbs...
When calculating the differences in weight between the two bikers, a 4lbs gain on my machine is an overall increase of exactly 1%. However, on a bike with a Gross Weight of 230lbs, this is ~1.8% increase, almost double the respective "weight-impact" figure... (is this making sense?) Anyhow, I guess I'm just trying to justify the purchase of a larger tent, so as to accommodate all of my gear, including bike. This same logic can be applied to any modification of bike including parts, accessories, and upgrades. Next time you are thinking of upgrading to a lighter "mo-betta, mo-hotta" goodie, crunch some numbers to see if it "adds up".
What I'm getting at, is that between my fully loaded bike, and fully figured body (workin' on that), I have a total package(Gross Vehicle Weight) in the neighborhood of 400 lbs
... Comparatively, a 180lbs man with a much more modestly loaded machine could be in the ballpark of 230-250 lbs...When calculating the differences in weight between the two bikers, a 4lbs gain on my machine is an overall increase of exactly 1%. However, on a bike with a Gross Weight of 230lbs, this is ~1.8% increase, almost double the respective "weight-impact" figure... (is this making sense?) Anyhow, I guess I'm just trying to justify the purchase of a larger tent, so as to accommodate all of my gear, including bike. This same logic can be applied to any modification of bike including parts, accessories, and upgrades. Next time you are thinking of upgrading to a lighter "mo-betta, mo-hotta" goodie, crunch some numbers to see if it "adds up".
04-07-07, 04:45 PM
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4 pounds more isn't a big deal, even if you weighed 160 like me. Besides, having a spacious tent can be really nice.
Do you have tandem hubs on your bike?
Do you have tandem hubs on your bike?
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Are you sure you want your bike in your tent with you? Sounds greasy/wet/dirty.
As a much-smaller-than-you person, I do notice a 4-6 pound difference - most noticable when climbing, but also makes a handling difference. Can't speak to the "relative" question.
Why don't you try out your proposed touring load with and without the extra 6 pounds. Ride up Mt. Tam or something. Then decide.
Have fun on your tour, it sounds sweet.
As a much-smaller-than-you person, I do notice a 4-6 pound difference - most noticable when climbing, but also makes a handling difference. Can't speak to the "relative" question.
Why don't you try out your proposed touring load with and without the extra 6 pounds. Ride up Mt. Tam or something. Then decide.
Have fun on your tour, it sounds sweet.
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Rethink the bike in the tent idea, but you might appreciate a three person tent. Two person minimum.
My GVW is 270, including two Thermorests, Thermorest lounger, tarp, two person tent, double kickstand etc. The engine weighs 170.
I hope you bring a few spokes and have the tools to replace them.
My GVW is 270, including two Thermorests, Thermorest lounger, tarp, two person tent, double kickstand etc. The engine weighs 170.
I hope you bring a few spokes and have the tools to replace them.
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For me, I have been able to lose weight on my body (and I need to lose some again) with less stress than trying to cut my gear too much. When I started losing weight, I lost a bicycle rather quickly.
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Originally Posted by Inthe10ring
Ok, so here it is... I'm planning a tour from Seattle to Northern Cali, and am researching a few more necessary items yet to be purchased. ( Tent, sleeping bag, sleeping mat, and some assorted camping gear) I am looking at my options for tents, and weight seems to be the ultimate decision maker about what is tour appropriate, or not... Or is it? I'm a large man (330 lbs) and I consequently do not have a particularly light bike. I'm looking at tents that may double the amount of space that I have inside the tent, but at a cost of 4-6 lbs...
What I'm getting at, is that between my fully loaded bike, and fully figured body (workin' on that), I have a total package(Gross Vehicle Weight) in the neighborhood of 400 lbs ... Comparatively, a 180lbs man with a much more modestly loaded machine could be in the ballpark of 230-250 lbs...
When calculating the differences in weight between the two bikers, a 4lbs gain on my machine is an overall increase of exactly 1%. However, on a bike with a Gross Weight of 230lbs, this is ~1.8% increase, almost double the respective "weight-impact" figure... (is this making sense?) Anyhow, I guess I'm just trying to justify the purchase of a larger tent, so as to accommodate all of my gear, including bike. This same logic can be applied to any modification of bike including parts, accessories, and upgrades. Next time you are thinking of upgrading to a lighter "mo-betta, mo-hotta" goodie, crunch some numbers to see if it "adds up".
What I'm getting at, is that between my fully loaded bike, and fully figured body (workin' on that), I have a total package(Gross Vehicle Weight) in the neighborhood of 400 lbs
... Comparatively, a 180lbs man with a much more modestly loaded machine could be in the ballpark of 230-250 lbs...When calculating the differences in weight between the two bikers, a 4lbs gain on my machine is an overall increase of exactly 1%. However, on a bike with a Gross Weight of 230lbs, this is ~1.8% increase, almost double the respective "weight-impact" figure... (is this making sense?) Anyhow, I guess I'm just trying to justify the purchase of a larger tent, so as to accommodate all of my gear, including bike. This same logic can be applied to any modification of bike including parts, accessories, and upgrades. Next time you are thinking of upgrading to a lighter "mo-betta, mo-hotta" goodie, crunch some numbers to see if it "adds up".
What really matters is strength to weight ratio. If the 180lbs guy has the same muscle power as you at 330lbs than not only are you carrying your extra body weight [150lbs], but now you are adding heavy gear to the mix.
I'd say weight of gear should be more important for heavier riders since you are already dealing with a significant weight penalty.
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Consider a trailer, it won't help with the gross weight, but will with the stress on you wheels, etc.
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04-07-07, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Inthe10ring
Ok, so here it is... I'm planning a tour from Seattle to Northern Cali, and am researching a few more necessary items yet to be purchased. ( Tent, sleeping bag, sleeping mat, and some assorted camping gear) I am looking at my options for tents, and weight seems to be the ultimate decision maker about what is tour appropriate, or not... Or is it? I'm a large man (330 lbs) and I consequently do not have a particularly light bike. I'm looking at tents that may double the amount of space that I have inside the tent, but at a cost of 4-6 lbs...
What I'm getting at, is that between my fully loaded bike, and fully figured body (workin' on that), I have a total package(Gross Vehicle Weight) in the neighborhood of 400 lbs ... Comparatively, a 180lbs man with a much more modestly loaded machine could be in the ballpark of 230-250 lbs...
When calculating the differences in weight between the two bikers, a 4lbs gain on my machine is an overall increase of exactly 1%. However, on a bike with a Gross Weight of 230lbs, this is ~1.8% increase, almost double the respective "weight-impact" figure... (is this making sense?) Anyhow, I guess I'm just trying to justify the purchase of a larger tent, so as to accommodate all of my gear, including bike. This same logic can be applied to any modification of bike including parts, accessories, and upgrades. Next time you are thinking of upgrading to a lighter "mo-betta, mo-hotta" goodie, crunch some numbers to see if it "adds up".
What I'm getting at, is that between my fully loaded bike, and fully figured body (workin' on that), I have a total package(Gross Vehicle Weight) in the neighborhood of 400 lbs
... Comparatively, a 180lbs man with a much more modestly loaded machine could be in the ballpark of 230-250 lbs...When calculating the differences in weight between the two bikers, a 4lbs gain on my machine is an overall increase of exactly 1%. However, on a bike with a Gross Weight of 230lbs, this is ~1.8% increase, almost double the respective "weight-impact" figure... (is this making sense?) Anyhow, I guess I'm just trying to justify the purchase of a larger tent, so as to accommodate all of my gear, including bike. This same logic can be applied to any modification of bike including parts, accessories, and upgrades. Next time you are thinking of upgrading to a lighter "mo-betta, mo-hotta" goodie, crunch some numbers to see if it "adds up".
I'd say every pound is an issue, I'd pack as light as you can and try to trim down a bit. I'm currently 220lbs my bike is about 20lbs and my gear is also 20 lbs, so now I've set myself the goal of loosing 20lbs myself, bodyweight is where the tourist can save the most weight
04-08-07, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by nun
I'd say every pound is an issue, I'd pack as light as you can and try to trim down a bit. I'm currently 220lbs my bike is about 20lbs and my gear is also 20 lbs, so now I've set myself the goal of loosing 20lbs myself, bodyweight is where the tourist can save the most weight
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04-08-07, 02:30 AM
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I like having the bike in the vestibule of my tent while I sleep. What the thieves can't see, they won't be tempted to steal. I have a Nordisk GT3, but I constantly lust after the MSR Velo.
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What we are presumably talking about here is a tent that weight 8-12 pound. The average tent is probably around 4-6. That's a very heavy tent for cycling. at 10-12 pounds it's about what your camping gear, everything you need for you except food and water would weigh, in an ultralight situation.
So if you want to keep the stress on you down, and cost wasn't a factor then I would use a lighter tent.
I don't doubt tent storage reduces the risk of your bike being stolen under some circumstances, but the risk is so low while camping that I think it betrays more of a panicked state of mind than anything else. I don't doubt there are places where it would help and that doesn't apply. For much lessor weight you can have a lock, which is more generally useful. If you are sleeping right next to your locked bike, I think the worry over loss is pretty much zero. If you are leaving your bike unattended but sheltered in your tent, I think the risk of theft is probaly increased.
So if you want to keep the stress on you down, and cost wasn't a factor then I would use a lighter tent.
I don't doubt tent storage reduces the risk of your bike being stolen under some circumstances, but the risk is so low while camping that I think it betrays more of a panicked state of mind than anything else. I don't doubt there are places where it would help and that doesn't apply. For much lessor weight you can have a lock, which is more generally useful. If you are sleeping right next to your locked bike, I think the worry over loss is pretty much zero. If you are leaving your bike unattended but sheltered in your tent, I think the risk of theft is probaly increased.
