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Old 05-31-07, 05:39 AM   #1
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Nice frame (for 700c) that fits Rohloff hub?

I like what I've been reading about the Nomad Raven and its use of the Rohloff internal Speedhub. But I've become partial to 700c wheel size.

Can anyone recommend a quality touring frame that would work well with both 700c wheels and the Rohloff? Price is important only because of what Thorn has accomplished with their line of Rohloff-equipped touring rigs.

Also: does a frame with OEM dropouts for the Rohloff (like the Raven) work better with the Rohloff versus a frame that doesn't (like the Atlantis, which I have considered)?

Thanks for any help provided -

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Yes, a frame with the rohloff specific dropouts plays a little nicer with the rohloff, but you can also use a rohloff with a frame with standard vertical dropouts. I've test-ridden a Surly Long Haul Trucker with one, for example, it just requires a less elegant solution of using the Rohloff torque arm and a chain tensioner. This is a lot cheaper, but it's not always easy to change flats because you have the additional work of taking off the torque arm, but it's really not that big of a deal. If I ever decide to splurge on a rohloff, I'd use it this way.

The best solution is a custom frame, but it's certainly not necessary to enjoy all the great benefits of the rohloff in a touring frame.
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Old 05-31-07, 06:57 AM   #3
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You should also read this thread:

Anyone using a Rohloff on an LHT?
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Thanks - that was a helpful thread.

Urbane Bicycles seems like a good choice (their touring model). I'll give them a call about the dropouts for the Rohloff.
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As far as that thread is concerned, I recant the nonsense I said about using the hub in a horizontal dropouts. I would only consider using it in something like the Thorn. There are lots of other custom builders doing good work with it also.

I would not consider using it on 700C since you are stuck with a 700 C 32 spoke rear wheel. There are reasons why that might well be more than adequate, but when the 26 is clearly superior, why do it. I think the 26 is theoretically superior on a regular deraileur touring bike but with Rohloff it's a slam dunk. I'm actually toying with the idea of the 69er, since if it looks stupid nobody will probably notice under all the luggage anyway.

The OEM hub is a lot less expensive than the Kludgy alternatives and it is a lot cleaner. I just bought one, and am now going through the alternatives for mounting it on a custom frame. I don't really see any brilliant alternatives, it's enough to make one want to go back to a deraileur. I'm waiting till I get it, then maybe I can figure out the best alternative for mounting it. On a touring bike you want something easy should you flat, and something that is compatible with paniers, and something that doesn't use excentric BB carriers, and something that doesn't cost 100 bucks retail for what would otherwise be a 4 dollar part.


http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/index.html

Urbane does sell the odd Rohloff, and lots of cheaper gear hubs so it would be interesting to know what they would say.

Picture is Thorn with OEM drops and eccentric BB.
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I spoke with Carey Chen at Urbane Cycles today about their touring model.

Carey feels that the Shimano Nexus is up to snuff for heavy touring and felt that it was a more versatile internal hub than the Rohloff. I've always heard that if you want to go with an internal hub for self-contained heavy touring, it would have to be Rohloff...

In any case, he was very helpful. I was kinda disappointed that their touring model couldn't be custom painted, but beyond that, it might be the frame for the kind of touring I envision doing.
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Nexus is nice. I rode one of their bikes with a Nexus on it. It has a fairly narrow range of gears compared to 8 speed deraileur, or Rohloff, and even the company put limits on the loads it shoulf take. There is a new version out this year. I don't doubt they will keep improving it for a while to come.
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try ANT bike, near boston;
mike makes a nice rohloff bike.
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The Nexus 8 is in NO way more versatile than the rohloff. If you are being told that, it's because they want to sell you a bike with a Nexus.

The Nexus hub just doesn't have the gear ratios for fully loaded touring IMO.
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I've never used a Rohloff, but I've done about 2000 miles of partially loaded touring (i.e. camping but no cooking) on a Nexus 8 and have been very happy with it. Granted, this has all been in the Great Lakes region; I have yet to use it over the Rockies or Appalachians.

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Nexus is nice. I rode one of their bikes with a Nexus on it. It has a fairly narrow range of gears compared to 8 speed deraileur, or Rohloff, and even the company put limits on the loads it shoulf take. There is a new version out this year. I don't doubt they will keep improving it for a while to come.
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" it's because they want to sell you a bike with a Nexus."

They have Rohloff also. Versatile can mean a lot of things from less likely to be ripped off on Queen Street, to available with 36 spoke hub. It can't mean better internal gearing in this case.
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fair enough peterpan1
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