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Old 08-09-07, 01:13 PM   #1
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Tent for stealth camping

Hi,
I'm looking to buy tent for 2 person.
I think I would prefer tent for 3 for the comfort.
The big issue is it have to be olive green or camouflaged color. The inside should be as well, so we can sleep in the tent without the cover.
I want the tent to have a lot of ventilation when not using the outside cover.
I liked the Big Agnes seehouse and seehouse SL, but the outer cover is not green but the inside looks green which is very good.

Looking for your insight.
Tnx

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Hi,
I'm looking to buy tent for 2 person.
I think I would prefer tent for 3 for the comfort.
The big issue is it have to be olive green or camouflaged color. The inside should be as well, so we can sleep in the tent without the cover.
I want the tent to have a lot of ventilation when not using the outside cover.
I liked the Big Agnes seehouse and seehouse SL, but the outer cover is not green but the inside looks green which is very good.

Looking for your insight.
Tnx
Eureka Timberline is very green. Little small for 3 but you can get a vestibule which is very large. Kinda heavy compared to the Big Agnes, however. But a lot cheaper.
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Eureka Timberline is very green. Little small for 3 but you can get a vestibule which is very large. Kinda heavy compared to the Big Agnes, however. But a lot cheaper.
Yep, I have seen your recommendation on this tent in other thread, and then checked it.
As you can see here when the tent used without the green cover, the tent color is white.
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http://www.colemans.com/miltent.htm

Some interesting tents here....
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http://www.colemans.com/miltent.htm

Some interesting tents here....
Thanks.
I'm more for new hi-tech tent, and I didn't find 3 person tents in the page.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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May I ask why you want the tent to be all green or camo? One reason for the lighter colored fabric in the tent roof is to bring some light into the tent. A tent that is all green will be a dreary place in a storm.

What about the Eureka Zeos? All green, coated fabric, no rainfly. Available in 1,2 and 3 person models.

http://www.eurekatent.com/p-61-zeus-3-classic.aspx

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May I ask why you want the tent to be all green or camo? One reason for the lighter colored fabric in the tent roof is to bring some light into the tent. A tent that is all green will be a dreary place in a storm.
Well, thats a good point that I wasn't aware of. I will have to consider it.
My intention is to wild camp, so any bright color will expose me. I do not want to be seen.
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Yep, I have seen your recommendation on this tent in other thread, and then checked it.
As you can see here when the tent used without the green cover, the tent color is white.
It a very pale green rather than white. I never use a tent without the rain cover anyway. I mean, who wants to get up at 3 in the morning in their underwear to put up the rest of their tent in the rain?
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May I ask why you want the tent to be all green or camo? One reason for the lighter colored fabric in the tent roof is to bring some light into the tent. A tent that is all green will be a dreary place in a storm.

What about the Eureka Zeos? All green, coated fabric, no rainfly. Available in 1,2 and 3 person models.

http://www.eurekatent.com/p-61-zeus-3-classic.aspx

I have this one too. Not a bad tent but is kind of drippy in wet weather. You need to wedge the rear vent open or it self seals with moisture. It is lighter then the Timberline but not quite as roomy.
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I have a Eureka Zeos tent, too, and I like its combination of light weight, modest cost, and good design. It's very quick and easy to put up and take down, too. There are more comfortable tents, and tents that will keep you more perfectly dry in a driving rain, but it's hard to do better without taking on more weight or paying a lot more money.
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Oh, P.S.: I have the two-person model, which should be called the "two intimate people who don't mind bumping into each other all night" model. If that doesn't describe you and your companion, the three-person model may well be a good idea.
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My intention is to wild camp, so any bright color will expose me. I do not want to be seen.
Are you referring to STEALTH camping? Camping in places not normally used and without asking permission? Woodlots, fence rows, riverside?
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It a very pale green rather than white. I never use a tent without the rain cover anyway. I mean, who wants to get up at 3 in the morning in their underwear to put up the rest of their tent in the rain?
What is rain? (I'm from Israel)
Using the tent when its hot, you want to take advantage of its ability to be a bug net, but keep the flow of air inside out.
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Are you referring to STEALTH camping? Camping in places not normally used and without asking permission? Woodlots, fence rows, riverside?
Thats exactly what I mean.
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This is a great tent; it's super light, cheap and the gray fabric blends in with everything. Airflow is great. It's made for 3 people but perfect for two with panniers or a lot of gear. Need to seam seal it though if you plan on some rainy weather.

http://www.tarptent.com/rainshadow2.html
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It isn't unusual to have the netting in a tan. If it is really dark it will affect the feel of living in the tent, in fact that is true of dark tent fabrics in general. There is a whole segment of tents designed for tactical or hunting uses, names like kifuru or Bass Pro, Cabelas, etc... I almost always use the fly. It is rarely that stable or dew free that I leave it off, but that can vary I guess, depending on your local weather.
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There is one thing to consider. I stealth camp whenever I tour. I've never had a problem. But if you decide to do this in the fall during hunting season, the trick is pitching your tent where you can't be seen from the road but be visible to an oncoming hunter so they know you're human and not an animal. Hunters love to be out right at dusk or dawn and seem to get poor eyesight during that time (snicker). So what you might want to do is to have some sort of blaze orange away from the road but visible in other directions.

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There is one thing to consider. I stealth camp whenever I tour. I've never had a problem. But if you decide to do this in the fall during hunting season, the trick is pitching your tent where you can't be seen from the road but be visible to an oncoming hunter so they know you're human and not an animal. Hunters love to be out right at dusk or dawn and seem to get poor eyesight during that time (snicker). So what you might want to do is to have some sort of blaze orange away from the road but visible in other directions.

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Basically you say that my intention to put on the tent a camouflaged fabric that was drown with moose on it, is not a good idea ?!
Maybe I should change it from moose to group of gees. ROFL.

I think from your perspective, that I should have two outer fabrics. On that is very bright at night, and the other is camouflaged.
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i'm a big fan of tarps for camping; here's some good stealth tarptent options

www.kifaru.net but whew, their prices are HIGH!

also some of the tarptents from golite www.golite.com/product/product2.aspx?sc=86&s=1

and helium awnings from outdoor research http://www.outdoorresearch.com/home/...shelter_pocket that are nice and drab. also quite lightweight.

you'd need to add the bugnet options to these, or bring your own. I like the airflow underneath a tarp and am considering buying a bugnet insert and pitching it underneath a rectangular tarp.

also picking up some digicamo ponchos and sewing a big tarp is very effective.

I recently picked up an Integral Designs 12 ounce olive silicone tarp for stealth pitches http://www.integraldesigns.com/produ...roducttypeid=1 and like it almost as much as the digital camo tarp I sewed up out of a couple of ponchos. the camo tarp is mos' excellent at hiding your campsite.

one of the regular posters had a digicamo tarp sewn for him by the hennessy hammock people. stokell was his screen name, i believe.
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Keep in mind also that any tent or pitched tarp makes you easier to see than if you don't pitch any shelter at all. I've been "stealth" camping for about 30 years and, while I'm sure I must have pitched a tent once or twice, I don't actually remember doing so. If there's a chance of rain, I'll think up a tarp/bike/tree sort of combination and be ready to string that up while half asleep if necessary. In buggy places, I use a bug net hat and keep my arms inside my sleeping bag. There have been some wet, miserable nights, but many more magical starry nights to compensate. And I've never gotten chased off anyone's land, but if it were to happen I'd rather have the minimum to fold up and pack before getting away.
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i'm a big fan of tarps for camping; here's some good stealth tarptent options

www.kifaru.net but whew, their prices are HIGH!

also some of the tarptents from golite www.golite.com/product/product2.aspx?sc=86&s=1

and helium awnings from outdoor research http://www.outdoorresearch.com/home/...shelter_pocket that are nice and drab. also quite lightweight.

you'd need to add the bugnet options to these, or bring your own. I like the airflow underneath a tarp and am considering buying a bugnet insert and pitching it underneath a rectangular tarp.

also picking up some digicamo ponchos and sewing a big tarp is very effective.

I recently picked up an Integral Designs 12 ounce olive silicone tarp for stealth pitches http://www.integraldesigns.com/produ...roducttypeid=1 and like it almost as much as the digital camo tarp I sewed up out of a couple of ponchos. the camo tarp is mos' excellent at hiding your campsite.

one of the regular posters had a digicamo tarp sewn for him by the hennessy hammock people. stokell was his screen name, i believe.
Hey, Bekologist, I see skiis in one of the photos. Did you backcountry bicycle WITH your skiis? If so, how did you transport them? I would love to see a pic of your rig with the skiis!
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Bekologist, great pics. I especially like the Wunderbaum attached to your bike!

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the old big agnes seedhouse SL2 is perfect, and what I have... it's the perfect green and blends in perfectly with grass and trees
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I've used the camoflague tarp to hide a tent from the road as well. standard comoflauge tactics apply of breaking any straight lines with brush and sticks, keeping the reflectors on the bike and panniers well hidden (tough) I've taken to carrying a camo bike cover to hide the bike if i'm interested in stealth.

the idea of not pitching a tent or tarp works well but only on really nice nights. last weekend the forecast was for good weather, but when I woke up monday morning in the woods, there was rain smattering on the tarp. nice to be under cover when the weather rolls in.


off topic, but here's a couple pics of ski hauling on my bike. I had the bike up to 40 MPH on the downhill and the skis were rock solid. they wedge into a Tubus Cargo rack like it was made for skis.
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I like tarp camping over tent, unless there are bugs. I have been on some wilderness canoe trips in Canada where a night without netting would be miserable indeed. Using a headnet and keeping your arms inside the sleeping bag doesn't work if it's hot.

For stealth camping I'd recommend a simple 8x10 flat camo tarp with multiple center pullouts, and enough no see um netting to hang from the interior.

Here is a website with more information than you'd care to know about pitching a tarp.
http://www.equipped.com/tarp-shelters.htm
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