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Old 08-12-07, 05:22 AM   #1
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Cannondale T2000 v Cannondale Touring Classic

I am planning on purchasing a Cannondale for touring.

From Cannondales web site, it appears that the Touring Classic is destined to replace the T2000. Here are the specs on the two bikes. In my novice opinion, it appears that the T2000 is a better spec'd bike. Also (if the web site info is correct) the gearing on the Classic appears to be unusally high for a touring bike. Has anyone any experience or thoughts to offer?

T2000
Frame Touring Auminium
Fork Fatty R All-Conditions
Rims DT TK 7.1 w/eyelet and machined sidewall, 36 hole
Hubs Shimano LX
Spokes DT Swiss Competition
Tires Schwalbe Marathon w/Kevlar-MB-Belt, 700 x 37c, Reflective
Pedals N/A
Crank Shimano FC-M470 Hollowtech, 26/36/48
Chain Shimano 9-speed
Rear Cogs SRAM PG-970, 11-34
Bottom Bracket Shimano Octalink BB-ES30
Front Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Rear Derailleur Shimano XT
Shifters Shimano Ultegra 9-speed
Handlebars Cinelli Vai
Stem Cannondale 3-D Forged
Headset Cane Creek S-1
Brakeset Tektro Oryx cantilever w/cartridge pad
Brakelevers Shimano Ultegra
Saddle Fi'zi:k Rondine Mg
Seat Post Satori Poise XC suspension
Colors Jet Black (gloss) (BLK).
Sizes S, M, L, X, J
Extras Rear Rack; Gel Bar Tape

Touring Classic:
CAAD Touring
Alloy for Touring
Mavic A319 36h
Shimano LX 36h
DT Champion 1.8
Schwalbe Marathon 37-622
Wellgo M-17C Dual Function
Truvativ Elita 3.2 30-39-52 GXP
Shimano 105 10sp
Shimano 105 10sp 12-27
Truvativ GXP
Shimano 105 10sp Triple
New Shimano XT
Shimano 105 10sp
Deda Piega
Cannondale 3D Forged
FSA Orbit integrated
Tektro Oryx
Shimano 105 w/Safety levers
Brooks B17
Suspension 45mm
Jet Black (gloss) (BLK)
S,M,L,X,J
Handlebar Tape grips, Tubus Logo 28" rear rack, Tubus Duo front rack, Fenders, Bottles and cages
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Old 08-12-07, 07:28 AM   #2
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Hmm, it's not on the US version of their site, just the European spec. (type www.cannondale.com, select your country.) As far as I can tell, that's not a model replacement, it's the euro version of the touring bike.

Interesting.. Nice rack choice. High gearing. Many tourists will like the choice of brooks saddle.

You are in AU? I guess you would have to ask a dealer/trek if you guys get the US, EU or INTL model choices - I would guess INTL, which is the T2000.


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Old 08-12-07, 11:02 AM   #3
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Hmm, it's not on the US version of their site, just the European spec. (type www.cannondale.com, select your country.) As far as I can tell, that's not a model replacement, it's the euro version of the touring bike.

Interesting.. Nice rack choice. High gearing. Many tourists will like the choice of brooks saddle.

You are in AU? I guess you would have to ask a dealer/trek if you guys get the US, EU or INTL model choices - I would guess INTL, which is the T2000.


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Comparing the bikes, I noticed some rather interesting differences. The T2000 has much better gear selection. The Classic uses really tall gears - a 12-27 with a 52/39/30 On the other hand, the Classic is outfitted like a touring bike should be (well, I'd ditch the fenders) but the racks and saddle are wonderful choices. I like the curved blade forks much better too. And it comes with waterbottle cages! Why doesn't the US version? Oh yeah, they're trying to look like a race bike...how dumb of me not to notice The US version does use a Tiagra derailer which is a better choice for wide cranks however.

I will say that the T2000, even with its flaws, is a better touring machine than the Classic. The racks and other stuff on the Classic are nice touches but the gearing would kill the deal for me.
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I like the 26" versions of the bikes! Not sure how often a headshock needs servicing, though. Those, and the Trekking range, look like the touring bikes you see in Germany.

Australia has the T800 (curved forks, American spec) and T2000 (straight forks, very nice components, noticably but not dramatically better ride) (BTW the latest T800 has some downspec'd components compared to the 2006). Not sure if the European versions can be ordered here but generally not.

Go for the bike, it is great, just make sure it is sized for touring and not as a road racing frame (ie. don't go too small). If the cost of the T2K is not an issue then go for that one. Should be easy to test ride in any major city eg. in Melbourne, Brunswick St Cycles keeps them in M and L for test rides.
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Thanks everyone for your comments.

I took a look at both bikes again and (your recommendation Cyccommute n Cave) will select the T2000 based on the gearing. Because the Touring Classic was better spec’d for saddle, wheels, crank and deraileurs, and the niceties of including front rack, peddles and bottle cages I initially I thought I could take that bike and merely change out the gearing to something more suited to touring. However, nothing is simple. It appears that the gearing on the bike is as tall as is currently available in a 10sp gear cluster. Maybe production has not caught up with design. Additionally, I think that 9sp gearing and chain would be more robust than 10sp for touring loads.

Cave, I did get to check out the Touring Ultra – that’s the Euro version – at St Kilda Cycles, with 26’ wheels. Great bike, and I would go for it if I was considering more rugged destinations.

I think you are right Valygrl, the Touring Classic and Ultra are Euro versions and not replacements for the T series, so I guess we can look forward to seeing more T800/2000’s from Cannondale both here in Oz and the US in the future. I was working in Colorado for a couple of years around 2001/2. Great State for living and cycling. I managed biking a couple of Passes – Trail Ridge, Ute. And cycling the Front Range in Autumn – staggeringly awesome.
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I just talked to Cannondale today and the new bikes are going to have a different stem setup, for people that want to get the bars up higher.They told me both colors for the t2000 and T800, but I was focused on the T800 and they said it would be titanium. I'm suppose to talk to them again as they are getting me a measurement and I'll find out when they are coming out.
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Ouch... Great news George. I like the idea of a Ti Touring bike, but now I have another option to consider in my decision making. - Just when I thought it was safe to get back in the water...
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Cave, I did get to check out the Touring Ultra – that’s the Euro version – at St Kilda Cycles, with 26’ wheels. Great bike, and I would go for it if I was considering more rugged destinations.
Ohmygawd - I'm heading down to Carlisle St this weekend to have a look... that is SUCH a good bike shop!
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