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    Small Touring Frame with 700c wheels?

    Any steel frames out there 50cm size with 700c wheels?

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    Trek 520.

    Just remember that many small touring bikes are designed with 26" wheels because the smaller wheels work better with the smaller geometry. Toe overlap with a big load is no fun! 26" tubes/tires are avaliable almost anywhere (Wallymart even). I'm sure you have your reasons for wanting a 700c bike, just keep in mind, they are hard to find because there are many reasons to choose 26"! Good luck!

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    Trek 520 17" works fine for me, I'm 5'2" I swapped for a shorter stem
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    my wife rides the 17" 520 with 700s and loves it. she did swap the stem and bars too.

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    My vintage bikes all have 700c or 27in They range 49is to 51ish.
    They also have room for racks, panniers, fenders, whatever you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuan View Post
    Any steel frames out there 50cm size with 700c wheels?
    My daughter, myself, and a friend just completed a TransAmerica tour. They were each on a 43 cm Windsor Touring. I was on a 49 cm Windsor Touring. All had 700 cm wheels.

    The bikes worked out great with the following exceptions:
    1. The brake pads were not so good on the Tecra Oryx brakes. Either carry spares or replace the shoes from the get go.
    2. The tires were probably not the best. Four of the six tires made it the whole 4200 miles, but we would have had a lot less flats with a better tire.
    3. I had some rear wheel drive side spoke breakage issues. At least some of this was the result of a screw backing out of the cassette and scoring the spokes. The girls had no such problems.

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    I bought my Giant Kronos 10 years ago. It's 49cm and has a wheel size of 700x23. Made of chromoly.

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    Take a look the Rivendell Bleriot. It's 650b, not 700. My 5'2" wife has one and loves it. The tires are like pillows.

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    Arguably all touring bikes are better off with smaller wheels. The only decided advantage to larger wheels is road feel, or lack of it. I find the paniers soak that up pretty well for my aching back. I wish someone would make a stock frame with 26" wheels for tall people like me, for the price of a Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterpan1 View Post
    Arguably all touring bikes are better off with smaller wheels. The only decided advantage to larger wheels is road feel, or lack of it. I find the paniers soak that up pretty well for my aching back. I wish someone would make a stock frame with 26" wheels for tall people like me, for the price of a Surly.
    The Bleriot goes to 61, how big do you need?

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    I had a 17in Trek 520 with the 700c wheels and it was a nice ride. I've since gone to the LHT with 26in wheels.

    The smallest Surly Pacer takes 700c wheels and I think it would be a great bike for a credit card/light tour, although I have not yet had a chance to use mine for that.
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    I have a 56cm Surly LHT with 700C wheels, which was the smallest size with 700C wheels. Upon reflection, I sometime wish I got a 54cm with 26 inch wheels. I have a Bridgestone commuter with 26 wheels and the choice of tires, speed etc. is very similar and I will say it seems a little zippier.

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    Thanks guys, 26 incher is key, 650 is more trouble with parts not less. Maybe if I hadn't been let down on 700c I wouldn't feel that way. I have used MTBs before, and think it can be a fine thing, however it isn't a touring bike, and I would like to see something in the line of a Gordon, Sakkitt, Thorn.

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    Well I always thought 700c wheels were a better ride. You guys are making me rethink my decision. Wouldn't matter until next year anyway.

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    The 26 vs 700c decision should first be about size: can your frame comfortably fit 700c without compromising steering geometry, toe overlap and reach. Only then should you start comparing ride quality and availability.
    For smaller riders, 700c just doesnt make sense.
    Anyone know of decent stock touring frames or bikes in 26mtb that are not fancy custom models? The LHT springs to mind.

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    You can get a nice touring or sport touring bike in 50cm size with 700c wheels if it's custom-made for you. Off-the-shelf, it's harder. There are some, but they use a sloping top tube to get the seat tube measurement shorter - but this just means the seat tube is shorter. It usually ends up being a larger frame with a shorter seat tube. Sometimes they deal with that by making that shorter seat tube steeper or the bottom bracket much higher than normal. Ultimately, the problem is that while the saddle height will be Ok and the standover height will be Ok because of the sloping top tube, you will have to live with handlebars which may not go as low as you want (and not every tourer wants unusually high handlebars), or toe overlap, or the cockpit will be way too long for you even with a short stem. They also might have to make the head tube angle shallower, but they will probably not have gone to the trouble and expense of installing a fork with the right trail to compensate so the steering geometry is still Ok. But it all depends on your body proportions. Of course, a custom-made frame does cost more. Smaller wheels allow a more normally-proportioned frame off-the-shelf.

    By the way, I've never ridden a bike with 650B wheels and "riding on pillows" tires, but it's kind of a myth that tourers are only interested in looking at the scenery while pushing unnecessarily wide, slow tires. For me anyway, a touring bike should be capable of going reasonably fast without extraordinary effort.

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    Not difficult to find www.jamisbikes.com www.fujibikes.com Jamis has the Aurora, Fuji the Elios, both astonishingly similar. Jamis you'll just find it, Fuji,need to look under "specialty road " I've riden the Jamis,it's OK
    First off , "traditional" tourers have 27" wheels which may confuse things. 700c wheeled bikes are more problematic in small sizes in regards to race geometry, touring not so. Besides, nothing wrong with a 650 in the front anyway. Many choices in any case. I see dozens a day on e-bay as well.

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    certainly nothing wrong with a trek 520 either ! I've tried them too,have you looked at all ?

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    I just sat on a 47cm Novara Randonee. That thing is HUGE! It really rides like a 52 at least. Too long, too high, standover was fine.

    But it had 700c wheels.

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    Well I did it. I got a Surly LHT. I'll pick it up Tuesday morning.

    So far: Surly LHT, Surly cro-moly nice rack w/ Ortlieb back roller classic panniers (yellow), Brooks B-17 special saddle.

    Thanks all of you

    edit: Any fender recommendations?

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    The reguar black or yellow fender by the likes of Planet Bike or whoever your LBS has are fine. There are fancy fenders out there that are very expensive. I made mine out of Bamboo and they have been great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuan View Post
    Well I did it. I got a Surly LHT. I'll pick it up Tuesday morning.

    So far: Surly LHT, Surly cro-moly nice rack w/ Ortlieb back roller classic panniers (yellow), Brooks B-17 special saddle.

    Thanks all of you

    edit: Any fender recommendations?
    Good choices! I love my 54cm Surly LHT with Brooks B17 and Ortlieb (yellow) panniers. I have the SKS P65 fenders on mine. The P65 fits kind of tight between the front fork, but really does well in the rain to keep all the road spray off of me.

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    Bruce Gordon has stock touring frames from 38 to 56 cm. Prices make his bikes your second, third, or fourth tourer. Unless you are doing something like Fairbanks to Terra del Fuego unsupported.
    This space open

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    Well here it is outfitted for B&B touring. The front is a Carradice Zip Roll made by Maggie and the rear is a Carradice Nelson Longflap made by Christine. Although the Zip Roll is made as a saddlebag, it will attach to the handlebars using longer straps. Some stores will carry those longer straps, and some salesfolks have no idea that these straps exist. I had to go to three LBS's in order for someone to sell me the extra long straps. They were spendy, and they only come in pairs, but now I have three extra straps. I decided to return the yellow Ortliebs to REI because

    1) I just fell in love with the Carradice look and...

    2) The Ortliebs were missing the strap which secures the top to the bottom of the bag and...

    3) The guys at REI weren't aware that the Ortliebs should have had a strap

    The fenders were a problem. I could not get the ideal SKS P55 so I got P50's. The P50's accomodate larger 700c wheels as well as 26" wheels. I had to snip the ends off those steel stays in the front to confidently obtain enough clearance for the front of my feet.





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