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Old 02-19-08, 07:22 AM   #1
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stand over height for Randonee weird?

just ordered a 52 cm Randonee frame and now i"m starting to panic. The stand over heights for both the 47 cm and 52 cm frames are really high - more than 31" for both. I'm 5'7" and my inseam is around 31.5". I can't imagine being stuffed onto a 47cm frame, but if the 52 cm frame is higher than my pubic bone, I can't imagine that either. How on earth can those measurements be so high? I have a 53 cm Raleigh Grand Prix that gives me at least a little breathing room for standover (but not much). Should I get the 47cm Randonee frame just to be safe? I think there's still time to change my order. I don't live anywhere near an REI so sitting on a frame isn't an option right now. thanks
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Old 02-19-08, 08:20 AM   #2
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If you don't know what size you should get, you may want to cancel your order until you do. Is there a LBS around that you could get a fitting. If not, there is all kinds of information on the web. Peter White web site comes to mind right now.
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just called REI and they wouldn't let me cancel my order so the 52cm frame is coming (I can however return it to an REI store about 60 mi away). I'm thinking of putting 650B wheels on it, that should give me enough clearance and I wanted to go smaller than 700c anyway. So it will be an experiment that could work out ok. any advice for long reach cantis?
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just ordered a 52 cm Randonee frame and now i"m starting to panic. The stand over heights for both the 47 cm and 52 cm frames are really high - more than 31" for both. I'm 5'7" and my inseam is around 31.5". I can't imagine being stuffed onto a 47cm frame, but if the 52 cm frame is higher than my pubic bone, I can't imagine that either. How on earth can those measurements be so high? I have a 53 cm Raleigh Grand Prix that gives me at least a little breathing room for standover (but not much). Should I get the 47cm Randonee frame just to be safe? I think there's still time to change my order. I don't live anywhere near an REI so sitting on a frame isn't an option right now. thanks
I am a bit taller and have a slightly longer inseam than you and prefer the smaller frame, but...
I like smallish frames and low bars (3-4" below the saddle). If you don't share those preferences you may like the larger frame.

Edit: I forgot to mention, I would call the store that is 60 miles away and see what sizes they have in stock. Then if they have the sizes in question I would go try them on for size. That may save you having to unpack and assemble a bike that doesn't fit. If you like the smaller one get them to hold it and swap it when the 52 arrives.

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Old 02-19-08, 12:33 PM   #5
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Can you make the brakes work with 650c wheels? Unless Randonee switched to disc....

I tried a 55cm Randonee and it fit fine. My standover height is 32''.
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"Should I get the 47cm Randonee frame just to be safe?"

While standover height is important, and can be pretty critical for any riding that results in your needing to put a toe down over uneven trails. The general advice, though, is to fit off your top tube length, where you have to choose one over the other. There are whole peoples who's normal body proportion is such that their legs are shorter than current frames are set up for. Particularly for road riding you are better off with the correct reach to the bars versus getting a better stand over height. You spend hours riding vs second astride, you just have to be a little careful with your dismounts.
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Old 02-19-08, 06:56 PM   #7
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Ah yesss, some prefer larger frames, some prefer smaller. Comes down to personal choice.

My stats:

Height: 5'6.25"
Pants inseam: 30"
Pubic Bone Height- measured a million times: 32.1" barefoot

The standover on the 53cm Jamis Aurora`is 31.4". In shoes, I've got about 1.5" standover clearance. If I go with the 50cm, add about another inch clearance BUT I'd also LOSE .8" of headtube height, which means the handlebars won't be quite comfortable enough for me. Also, the top tube on the 50cm is only shorter by 10mm.

Bottom line: the 47cm would be a joke.
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thanks for your response, I'm feeling a bit better about it now. I'm really looking forward to the 650B wheels. I'm sure the bb is high enough for them and I"m sure I can get long reach canti brakes.
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FWIW, I have an 59cm 07 Randonee and the stand over height listed in the 07 catalog is about 1" higher than what I measure on my bike.

Did you order a frame or a complete bike?
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Now that I recall, the last time I checked out a Randonee, I couldn't find a size to fit me. The closest to my size was too big, and the standover was too high. The next smaller size was too small.
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Are you really sure you want to change wheels to a hard-to-find size? I would at least try it out with the 700c's... If you are touring on it, having such an unusual size wheel could be a pain - hard to get tubes & tires on the road.
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I think you might be confused about the brakes. the Novara Randonee is designed for cantilever brakes which pivot off of pegs brazed onto the frame below the rims... significantly smaller wheels might or might not line up with the brake pads without changing the location of the brazed mounts on the frame itself. It depends on the adjustments possible with the OEM brakes, and would be hard to say without playing around a bit. At any rate, with smaller wheels, you would need shorter-reach cantilevers, not longer.

When you say 'long-reach brakes', that pertains to sidepull caliper brakes, which are a different style, and 'reach' down from a pivot (or two) that are above the rim/tires. This is a different issue, and is generally the advice given to someone converting an older frame that already uses sidepull brakes... FWIW, in this sort of application there is no real reason to look any futher than the Tektro r556 calipers, or their slightly shorter reach counterparts. (my opinion)

Also in my opinion, the 650B kool-aid isnt that tasty when you consider how much hassle it can be, unless you have: 1) the right frame that basically needs new wheels anyway, and 2) a penchant for making things work.

I would leave the frame with the wheels for which it was designed. If you really want a 650B bike, get a low-trail kogswell P/R, which is way cooler anyway, and probably not much more expensive, if at all. It would almost certainly be less money and hassle once you factor in the cost of new wheels and brakes, plus it comes with matching powdercoated fenders. REI has a very good return policy, but you will likely have to drive to the store.

sorry if im telling you something you already know, I aim to be helpful.
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thanks for the help and explaining about the brakes. I am going to try the frame w/ the 700c tires as soon as it arrives and if that works, I'll keep it that way. Thanks again.
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thanks for the help and explaining about the brakes. I am going to try the frame w/ the 700c tires as soon as it arrives and if that works, I'll keep it that way. Thanks again.
Yes. Don't panic. Just check it out when it gets there. REI will stand behind the bike and you will eventually get satisfaction. I'm betting it will be fine.

Good luck and let us know how it works out.
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