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Old 05-24-08, 09:17 PM   #1
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Need advice on specing a fully custom touring bike.

Okay so I want to buy my first and last touring bike. I want this thing to be able to go around the world or to the local islands for the weekend but with emphasis on the former.

I've decided to get a custom steel frame with 26" wheels (probably 38-40 spoke), MTB sized tires, disc brakes...

my main question is what kind of drivetrain should I get? I am leaning towards a 7 speed cogset for strength and, of course, a triple crankset but what about shifters/ brakes etc? I want bullhorn handlebars (like on a roadbike) durability and serviceability are key and I am opposed to Rohloff so don't suggest it .

Also are Ortlieb panniers as good as I've been led to believe?

How does one determine an appropriate chainstay length when considering long feet (size 46 Euro) and panniers with custom 220mm crank arms (yes 220mm).

Any other advice for a bomber 2-wheeler?

It's worthy of mention I am 6'8" 171lbs (going to try to gain at least 25 though) and want to beable to ride fully self-supported without a trailer.

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I dont know much about components, but Ortlieb bags are definitely worth the money, go buy some today.
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You need to direct your custom bike frame questions to the rare builder experienced in making extra large touring bikes.

I directed two friends- one 6'7" to Bruce Gordon and the other one 6'9'' to Santana Cycles for their frames. They have been very happy with the results. Since these were late '90's bikes you would need to contact each builder for their current offerings. Serrota also comes to mind as a large frame builder.

Bruce Gordon offers a 26" wheel RockNRoad EX that could suit your needs including his CrMo racks that I have happily used for 20 years on and off road on my RNR.

Your desire for 220mm cranks will pose problems with bottom bracket height and stability due to a raised center of gravity to prevent pedal strike. I use 181mm for my size 49 shoes. How did you choose the 220's?

For wheels look to Peter White Cycles for quality components and build.
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You might want to contact Sam Whittingham of Naked bicycles on Quadra Island (http://www.timetogetnaked.com/) He built me a touring bike a couple of years ago and I'm very happy with the end product.After a two hour plus talk /discussion and custom fitting I had him build it with tandem tubing,disc brakes,bosses for cantilever brakes,four bottle spots,9 speed casette,3 chain rings,and heavy duty wheels and spokes. Sounds like what you are looking for in your bike. It's not that far for you to pop over and do the same.Also some guy by the name of Lance who supposidly knows something about bikes liked one of his bikes so much he bought it.
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You might want to contact Sam Whittingham of Naked bicycles on Quadra Island (http://www.timetogetnaked.com/) He built me a touring bike a couple of years ago and I'm very happy with the end product.After a two hour plus talk /discussion and custom fitting I had him build it with tandem tubing,disc brakes,bosses for cantilever brakes,four bottle spots,9 speed casette,3 chain rings,and heavy duty wheels and spokes. Sounds like what you are looking for in your bike. It's not that far for you to pop over and do the same.Also some guy by the name of Lance who supposidly knows something about bikes liked one of his bikes so much he bought it.
this lance guy sounds like a liar and a cheat.
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There were some good suggestions in this thread:

Tall Riders Sought or Where to Get a Custom Touring Frame

My personal advice has not changed since I answered your earlier question on this topic. Since you're in Vancouver, come down to Seattle and see the folks at www.rodcycle.com. They make 26" touring bikes all the time.
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Has someone solved the racks + disc brake problem?
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Has someone solved the racks + disc brake problem?
Your mileage may vary but look at these - had them on my previous bike with avid disc brakes: Axiom Journey Disc in the back and Old Man Mountain AC Low rider in front. Tight fit, but they worked.

I have cantilever brakes now and I prefer those as they don't interfere with the main components you need when touring: Racks...
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It's been solved by mounting the caliper on the chainstay.
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I've decided to get a custom steel frame with 26" wheels (probably 38-40 spoke), MTB sized tires, disc brakes...

It's worthy of mention I am 6'8" 171lbs (going to try to gain at least 25 though) and want to beable to ride fully self-supported without a trailer.

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www.rodcycle.com. I don't know if the largest stock UTB will work. It's a day trip from Vancouver to seattle for a fitting. With that nice loonie the price should look even better. They blew the handle bar sizing on mine (to wide) but it was a free swap 7 months later and no charge for the rewrap.

For a stock 700c look at http://www.rivbike.com/l. I saw a 6'6 guy riding a stock 68cm riv a few days ago and my jaw dropped.

PS: Don't let disc breaks be a deal breaker.
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Okay so I want to buy my first and last touring bike. I want this thing to be able to go around the world or to the local islands for the weekend but with emphasis on the former.

/...many good companies, take a look at the Waterford Adventure Cycle
http://waterfordbikes.com/now/models.php?Model=648 ...\

I've decided to get a custom steel frame with 26" wheels (probably 38-40 spoke), MTB sized tires, disc brakes...

my main question is what kind of drivetrain should I get? I am leaning towards a 7 speed cogset for strength and, of course, a triple crankset but what about shifters/ brakes etc? I want bullhorn handlebars (like on a roadbike) durability and serviceability are key and I am opposed to Rohloff so don't suggest it .

/.. Bar end shifters can be used with any system; and they are extremely reliable. The number of speeds is up to you. 9 is a good compromise..\

Also are Ortlieb panniers as good as I've been led to believe?

How does one determine an appropriate chainstay length when considering long feet (size 46 Euro) and panniers with custom 220mm crank arms (yes 220mm).

/.. Let the company determine chainstay length. Holy smokes, 220??..\

Any other advice for a bomber 2-wheeler?

/..take tons of time and do tons of research. Backpacker magazine is a good source of info on tents and stoves.
http://www.bakepacker.com/
http://mattscoffee.com/product_info....7ad809ab529fd8
I like inline levers. Oh, 36 spokes is plenty, have the wheels handbuilt by a guy known for doing this sort of wheel. There are a bunch, but Peter White comes to mind ..\

It's worthy of mention I am 6'8" 171lbs (going to try to gain at least 25 though) and want to be able to ride fully self-supported without a trailer.

/.. get someone to teach you how to lift weights ..\

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I'd probably skip on the disc brakes. They work well and are robust, but are heavy and will be very difficult to repair in the field. Get a nice pair of cantis with high-quality pads.

Drivetrain, I'd go with 9 speed MTB parts (Deore XT?). Plenty strong and easy to get replacement parts. Obviously go for as low gearing as possible, definitely triple.

I don't think I'd go for bullhorns on a touring bike. Drop bars with bar-ends gives you several positions and handlebar bag options, even aero bars if you're really going long. Another option is trekking bars, which gives you a lot of hand positions.

Ortlieb makes excellent gear. The only thing is that most models iirc do not have a lot of pockets, which works for me but not for everyone.
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True North Cycles offer custom made touring bikes and they are located in Guelph, Ontario and have a great reputation. I believe one of our forum members had a touring bike made by them.
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methinks if you are considering going custom, you should probably know all these answers..
or your builder should guide/help you.

you should probably do a bit more thinking/reading/research to see if this is what you truly want..

nothing like having an expensive, custom-built, last you for-the-rest-of-your-life bike built, then learning it isn't what you really want...
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You might want to contact Sam Whittingham of Naked bicycles on Quadra Island (http://www.timetogetnaked.com/) He built me a touring bike a couple of years ago and I'm very happy with the end product.After a two hour plus talk /discussion and custom fitting I had him build it with tandem tubing,disc brakes,bosses for cantilever brakes,four bottle spots,9 speed casette,3 chain rings,and heavy duty wheels and spokes. Sounds like what you are looking for in your bike. It's not that far for you to pop over and do the same.Also some guy by the name of Lance who supposidly knows something about bikes liked one of his bikes so much he bought it.
Hey, I was actually thinking about getting my bike from Naked. Sam's proximity to my home in Vancouver is a huge selling point too as I have major trust issues with courier companies and my cherished belongings. So is your bike the green one featured in the gallery section on his website? The way your bike is speced out sounds just how I want mine apart from the braking system. Will you tell me here or in PM what kind of wheels you have on the bike? Tell me everything you care to tell me about it actually. What kind of shifters? Have you had any problems with it? How many miles on it? What kind of drivetrain also. How much did you pay for it?
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You need to direct your custom bike frame questions to the rare builder experienced in making extra large touring bikes.

I directed two friends- one 6'7" to Bruce Gordon and the other one 6'9'' to Santana Cycles for their frames. They have been very happy with the results. Since these were late '90's bikes you would need to contact each builder for their current offerings. Serrota also comes to mind as a large frame builder.

Bruce Gordon offers a 26" wheel RockNRoad EX that could suit your needs including his CrMo racks that I have happily used for 20 years on and off road on my RNR.

Your desire for 220mm cranks will pose problems with bottom bracket height and stability due to a raised center of gravity to prevent pedal strike. I use 181mm for my size 49 shoes. How did you choose the 220's?

For wheels look to Peter White Cycles for quality components and build.
Okay great! Thanks for the tall specific info! That makes a big difference. Everyone says "sure, we can build it" but what they really mean is: "Sure, we'll take your money and build you an experiment" Don't they know better than to elicit the wrath of the evil? Fools! Where was I?

Oh yeah, I decided on 220mm cranks based on the advice of Lennard Zinn who built me a fantastic bike and I find that if it has raised the centre of gravity, the effect is negligible. I can ride and manoevre with the best of them, often better Now when I ride with 175mm cranks I feel ridiculously underpowered.
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methinks if you are considering going custom, you should probably know all these answers..
or your builder should guide/help you.

you should probably do a bit more thinking/reading/research to see if this is what you truly want..

nothing like having an expensive, custom-built, last you for-the-rest-of-your-life bike built, then learning it isn't what you really want...
Want is irrelevant, gas is $1.40 a litre in Canada...if I want to travel, it's gonna be by bike

Oh and asking questions is a good way to form opinions. I am still several months away from ordering the bike, this is all part of th' learning process.
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My bike is the heavy duty Globetrotter featured about seven rows down on the gallery page . It has Shimano friction shifters mounted on Paul Thumbies for shifting, tandem mountain bike 40 spoke rims with White Industries hubs with Schwalbe Marathon tires, good quality headset(FSA?),Avid mechanical disc brakes, S&S couplers. Give Sam a phone call ,I'm sure that he'll remember the build and would be able to tell you more.
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You seem to have very small feet for such a tall guy. 46 only, at 6'8"? I'm a hair below 5'11" and I wear a 45.5. Maybe I just have big feet. Anyway, 220 crankarms seem kind of absurd. I didn't even know they made those! I know that Ondrej Sosenka, the hour record holder, is approximately 6'6-6'7 and uses 190mm crankarms and those are already really long.
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Contact Dennis Coffman @ Rincon Cycles in Carpinteria,California. [805-684-9466] intandemvideo AT verizon.net

He is an avid bike tourist and a very knowledgeable bike shop owner and may have a bike for you. He is 6'9" or so.
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My friend, arctos, gave me this thread. I am Dennis and own Rincon Cycles in Carpinteria, CA. I am 6'9", in the morning anyway, and might be able to give you a tall persons perspective on custom bikes and options. I have toured with many types of bikes; mountain, tandem, road, folding (all custom builds, obviously) around the world and have helped many big and tall riders over the last 30 years get their bikes ready to ride. I have noticed some suggestions in this thread that are not appropriate for people of our stature! Especially if you only want to do this once! Oh, and if you want to travel internationally, now or in the future, there is another planning stage for your frame and parts you need to consider. In my other profession, I have to travel with up to 30 checked pieces, with contents worth 100's of thousands of dollars; I have gotten real proficient at packing valuable equipment so as to make it easy going through Customs and our very own TSA screeners. 805-684-9466, intandemvideo@verizon.net Hope to meet you when you tour the Pacific Coast! Dennis
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Bar cons should be used instead of the brifters that some use. The brifters "look nice" but they have too many parts and can die faaaaar away from replacements. Barcons are simple and relatively cheap. You DON'T need brand new ones as they never wear out. Friction shifting lasts forever, even when the "distinct click" versions bite the dust...

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You seem to have very small feet for such a tall guy. 46 only, at 6'8"? I'm a hair below 5'11" and I wear a 45.5. Maybe I just have big feet. Anyway, 220 crankarms seem kind of absurd. I didn't even know they made those! I know that Ondrej Sosenka, the hour record holder, is approximately 6'6-6'7 and uses 190mm crankarms and those are already really long.
First of all, I'm not a dude. Second, I am the tall one with the ability to push big cranks sans problems, trust me, they work like a charm; Lennard Zinn knows his stuff and he rccomended them to me. Also, specing crank arms for time trialing is totally different than specing them for all-around triathlon bikes like my Zinn and certainly different than a touring setup so of course Sosenka is going to use shorter cranks...it's worthy of note that he is shorter than me too so he would use a shorter crank.

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My bike is the heavy duty Globetrotter featured about seven rows down on the gallery page . It has Shimano friction shifters mounted on Paul Thumbies for shifting, tandem mountain bike 40 spoke rims with White Industries hubs with Schwalbe Marathon tires, good quality headset(FSA?),Avid mechanical disc brakes, S&S couplers. Give Sam a phone call ,I'm sure that he'll remember the build and would be able to tell you more.
Hey that's a good lookin' bike! Looks bulletproof. How many clicks have you got on it now? I like the idea of the 40 spoke wheels. People on here are saying 36 is enough but I wonder what's with the gram savings? Better to have bomber wheels I figure. Anyways nice bike! What'd it cost you in the end? Are the Shwalbes worth the coin?
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people are probably second guessing your odd requests and assertions because your original posts didn't sound very well informed, especially for someone shopping for an entirely custom touring bicycle (a club generally comprised of more seasoned denizens). i wouldn't be offended by it.
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