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Old 09-02-08, 12:55 PM   #1
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HI Help picking touring bike

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I have decided to try a touring bike instead of a road bike, beings Iam a CD and really enjoy having a rather stif frame and wheel set-up.
This bike seems to be pretty well made and I about 1/3 the cost of a TREK and beter quality that a Fuji.
Tell me what you don't like on this bike be fair I have a windsor moutian that has been a great bike at 600+ mile the last couple months.

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Old 09-02-08, 01:06 PM   #2
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You really didn't have to paste the whole ad, a quick link to BikesDirect would have worked. Also, a quick search would probably give you your answer, since BikesDirect is discussed in various forums here regularly.

In a nutshell, the main arguments against BikesDirect is that they tend to over-inflate their suggested retail price. They compare themselves to bikes with better components and then compare their prices while ignoring the differences in components. But, even with those differences, the bikes seem to be a reasonable value.

In this case, their math is suspect.

Price is $600... Compare at $1,200... Save over $700???
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Old 09-02-08, 01:09 PM   #3
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The bottom line is you get what you pay for......the parts on this bike are on the lower end of the quality range, but they'll be perfectly serviceable. To mention this bike in the same sentence as Rivendell Atlantis and Co-Motion is laughable, but if all you want is a bike to do short rides and commute on it will do the job. If you are looking to do any sort of touring I'd look a Bianchi Volpe or Surly LHT, which are both under $1000.
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You really didn't have to paste the whole ad, a quick link to BikesDirect would have worked. Also, a quick search would probably give you your answer, since BikesDirect is discussed in various forums here regularly.
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BTW, 40% of the discussion about BikeDirects in the Road Forum is about why posts about BikeDirect always include their entire advertisement for the bike.

To the OP - if you do the search, you'll find that the Windsor has a number of fans, as do a number of other sub-$1,000 touring bikes.

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Old 09-02-08, 02:42 PM   #5
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FYI, the BikesDirect touring bike pretty much is the Fuji Touring bike, just rebadged and probably with a few cheaper parts on it.

The major issues with BD seem to be:
- shady marketing and sales tactics
- spotty / inconsistent warranty service
- no free tune-ups, which you typically get when you buy from an LBS
- build quality is not necessarily consistent

Also, most LBS's will swap parts at the time of purchase for no cost, if the components cost about the same. E.g. my LBS changed the front derailleur and bottom bracket for no cost when I bought my cross bike.

Unless you're a very good bike mechanic, you should tack on anywhere from $200 - $300 to the cost of this bike to pay your LBS to assemble and/or tune up your bike for the next year or so.
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FYI, the BikesDirect touring bike pretty much is the Fuji Touring bike, just rebadged and probably with a few cheaper parts on it....Unless you're a very good bike mechanic, you should tack on anywhere from $200 - $300 to the cost of this bike to pay your LBS to assemble and/or tune up your bike for the next year or so.
Does anyone know what the Fuji Touring bike sells for normally?

That would help w/the comparision...I was in a Performance store the other day here in the Seattle area and they don't normally stock the Fuji Touring and didn't know what Performance normally sells it for. They said they saw $950 as the MSRP for the Fuji Touring but thought the normal "real" retail on it would be lower.

I think the relevant cost comparisons are:
- BikeDirect Windsor vs. Fuji
- Windsor vs. Novara Randonee
- Windsor vs. Surly Long Haul Trucker

I've always thorugh the Windsor was a solid deal for someone very comfortable w/doing their own assembly work and tune-ups, but once you start adding other costs the Novara and Surly start to look better.
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To mention this bike in the same sentence as Rivendell Atlantis and Co-Motion is laughable, but if all you want is a bike to do short rides and commute on it will do the job.


Oh, oh, I bet Mr. TA Staephj1 will have something to say about this statement.
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Old 09-02-08, 10:44 PM   #8
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Oh, oh, I bet Mr. TA Staephj1 will have something to say about this statement.
I'm dubious about the stock Windsor as a long distance tourer because of it's high stock gearing, low quality
tires and no name hubs. It'll probably be ok, but it's just not the best way to go IMHO. As an around town or commuter bike I think it would be fine because if something breaks it's not such an issue.
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Why not spend just a little more and get a LHT?
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HI, Thanks for the responses

HI,
Sorry new to this forum didn't mean to irritate anyone,
I have decided to save and wait on LHT surly, and get a better bike.
thanks Again.
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I am currently trying to increase my mileage 18-20 a day, and hope to tour when I retire in about 6 years if my health continues to hold up, sure I 'be lurking around here.
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Hi and welcome djnzlab1, no need to be sorry about asking a question about any bike on this forum. I am sure that you have not irritated anyone.
You will find that people on the touring forum really love their bikes as do most cyclist in general. Touring people maybe a little more because they spend so much time on their steads.
Their are so many good choices for touring bikes now, you really need to test ride as many as you can. Ordering one that you haven't riden is always a risky thing especially a low end bike like the Windsor. There is always the slight chance that a touring bike is not for you and you may prefer a road bike although I can't imagine such a thing.
I think you are making a wise choice by holding off till you can afford a better quality bike whatever make or type of bike it may be.
I hope to see you post again asking any question that you need answered and certainly a picture of the new bike when it comes is a must.
Happy touring!
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Old 09-04-08, 06:48 AM   #12
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I'm dubious about the stock Windsor as a long distance tourer because of it's high stock gearing, low quality
tires and no name hubs. It'll probably be ok, but it's just not the best way to go IMHO. As an around town or commuter bike I think it would be fine because if something breaks it's not such an issue.
First let me say that we bought three of these bikes and rode them across the US. We were quite satisfied with them.
  1. The gearing was not adequate stock and we spent $80 for a Sugino XD600 crank.
  2. The tires wore quite well but were somewhat prone to flats. Still one of the bikes still has the original tires on it after at least 5000 miles (they are pretty bald and due to be replaced). Mine didn't make it halfway across the country, but I weigh a lot more and carried more.
  3. The hubs were trouble free and are the same as the hubs on the Fuji.

There are lots of good choices out there and the Windsor may not be for everyone, but it is quite capable of multi month touring.
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Does anyone know what the Fuji Touring bike sells for normally?
Prices vary widely. If you have to pay $950 buy something different (at that price you are close to the price of an LHT complete). If you can get it for close to the price of the Windsor it might be a good choice. As far as I can tell they are identical bikes.
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and beter quality that a Fuji.
Nope. As far as I can tell they are identical, the Windsor is not better than the Fuji. The Fuji would have the advantage of being from a local shop and I would buy it over the Windsor if pricing is the same or at least close.
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The Winsor touring bike is really a good value. Bikes Direct is pretty crappy with customer service, however. djnzlab1, your bike is a good bike. Take care of it and you'll get years of service out of it.
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