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    The Brooks Have Arrived!

    A pair of B.17 saddles showed up via FedEx yesterday and I spent about an hour playing with them and getting them mounted before going for a ride. The girlfriend took one look and shook her head in disbelief, and then let out a sigh when she knocked on the hard leather. I really had to talk her into keeping an open mind. We got the bikes outside, jumped on.... and.... Pure comfort, right out of the box. We were both surprised with how comfortable they were right away, and if they're going to only get better, it's easily the best option I've spent money on to improve both bikes. We only went about 5 miles, but it was the most comfortable 5 miles I've ever ridden.

    I also received a couple of cateye cycle computers, so my base touring bikes are just about ready. After a few weeks of breaking the saddles in, we may attempt that 60 miles trip that we decided against this past weekend. I'm glad we decided to wait until the saddles arrived...

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    I've had my Brooks for almost 20 years. It has moved from bike to bike through the years, and with proper care, I expect many more years of service.

    Do not throw your original saddles away, because if you ever sell the bikes they are on now, you will want to keep your Brooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txvintage View Post
    Do not throw your original saddles away, because if you ever sell the bikes they are on now, you will want to keep your Brooks.
    For a fleeting moment I had the bright of idea of making a quick buck by putting the original saddles up for sale on craigslist or ebay. Then I had that exact thought about having to get rid of the Brooks if I sold the bikes. I put them in a box and placed them in the closet along with the original pedals that I took off in favor of a pair of SPD pedals.

    The very first thing I did after pulling the saddles out of the box was proofide them, top and bottom. Then we went for the short ride and I gave them another good coating when we got back, which I left to settle in overnight. Gave them a good buff this morning and they really shine. The one thing I am really missing is fenders. I realize how important they are to keeping the bottom of the saddles dry in wet weather, and until I can afford them, I'll have to stick to riding on fair weather days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asromzek View Post
    For a fleeting moment I had the bright of idea of making a quick buck by putting the original saddles up for sale on craigslist or ebay. Then I had that exact thought about having to get rid of the Brooks if I sold the bikes. I put them in a box and placed them in the closet along with the original pedals that I took off in favor of a pair of SPD pedals
    Good idea. However, should you ever need a saddle for a bike you're selling most LBS have a box of cheap unloved saddles they will give away for nothing or next to nothing if you ask nicely. Same with cheap pedals.
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    With 700x32C tires on both Randonees, what size fenders would be optimal? I've decided to spring for them when the next paycheck rolls in, and I'm having a tough time making up my mind as to what fenders would work best. To be picky, they'll have to be black, but as far as plastic vs. aluminum vs. whatever else and the different widths out there there, I'm having a tough time making up my mind.

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    What is the proper proof hide regiment for a new Brooks?

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    Freddy fenders

    If it's got to be black, look at Planet Bike Freddy fenders. In addition to being one of the cheapest options available, they mount easilyand provide excellent coverage. The packaging will guide you to the right fender for your tires. I hung a pair on my wife's Bianchi Volpe and I had a pair on a commuter that I recently sold.

    When i build up my King of Mercia that's now being built, it'll be with Honjo's.

    Best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anomaly View Post
    What is the proper proof hide regiment for a new Brooks?
    If I understood the documentation correctly...

    You're supposed to coat the bottom of a new saddle with proofide and let it set in. You don't have to wipe off the excess. On the top of the saddle you can rub a layer on and let it soak in, then wipe off any excess or residue later on. I coated mine and let it set for an hour, then wiped it off due to impatience to go for a ride. You can let it set overnight to give it more time to absorb. That's what I did with the second coat. After that, you can apply a layer a few more times during the break in period, maybe once every 20 to 30 miles? (Considering that I plan to break it in using 5 to 10 mile rides)

    Once the saddle is broken in, you can proofide it once every 3 to 6 months, and that should keep it in decent condition. And of course, try not to get the saddle too wet.

    Hopefully that helps, and maybe someone who has ridden a few more than 5 miles on a Brooks has some more tips?

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    As far as width for fenders, would 35mm fenders be the right width for 700x32C tires?

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    That is going to be tight. Go wider, if you can.

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    45mm appears to be the next common size up, maybe I should see what the LBS has... even though I planned to buy online.

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    Well, just got back from about an 8 mile ride, and it wasn't quite as pleasant. I'm not sure what changed between yesterday and today, but I was no where near as comfortable. After a few miles my wrists started to go numb, so I stopped to make an adjustment or two with the saddle since my handle bars are set as high as they'll go. Rode about another mile and my rear end started to go numb. After that I tried every single saddle height/tilt/position combination with no success. Lowering the saddle helps with the wrists, but then I'm crowding the pedals and bars a little too much. Raising the saddle too high helps with the rear end, but then the pedals are too far away, and the numb wrists return.

    So after quite a bit of fiddling, I found the right saddle height/tilt/position, and this the problem I've run into. I have to sit on the very back of the saddle for the rest of my body to be comfortable. Sitting on the rivets is then very, very uncomfortable. What I need, is to either move the saddle toward the back of the bike about an inch, or move the handlebars forward about an inch without lowering them. Both of these adjustments are impossible with my current setup. I got the stock saddle out that I pulled off the bike and the spot where I used to sit on that saddle is about where the rivets are on the Brooks. So, now I'm stuck. The frame size for the bike appears to be right, especially since the standover height for the next size up was definitely too high.

    Needless to say I'm slightly frustrated, so I'm going have a beer, relax for a bit, and then take a crack at figuring it out tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asromzek View Post
    As far as width for fenders, would 35mm fenders be the right width for 700x32C tires?
    I use the rule of thumb to buy fenders 10mm wider than the widest tire I'll be running. So if 32mm is the widest you could get some 42-43mm fenders that would fit nicely. Larger fenders will work fine, but as they get a lot wider for the tire they'll start to look odd.
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    I have to say that after 8 months or so i am starting to get the brooks perfectly dialed in on my bike. For awhile it seemed perfect, nose slightly tilted up, pushed back on the seat post, and then i took the seat post out of the seat tube for transport and forgot to mark my saddle height.
    If i lower the saddle even a few mm from its current position then i must tilt the nose up so i don't slide off. If i raise the saddle even a few mm i need to tilt the nose down because there is too much pressure on the nether regions.

    Now i think i have it almost perfect, although my sit bones far back on the saddle, but not sure if i am on the rivets. I still have a problem sliding forward occasionally, and this can lead to hand/wrist numbness from constantly pushing yourself back up on the saddle. I would like to tilt the nose on my brooks up very slightly, but have yet to try because i can never do it just slightly and then it gets all out of wack again.

    My point is that it may take time and patience to get it right. Try to only adjust one thing at a time tilt/height/position and try it out. Then make adjustments accordingly. Don't tilt and reposition at the same time because if it does not work out then you won't know if it was the tilt or the position that was bad, or both!

    Also, are you using padded bike shorts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik View Post
    I use the rule of thumb to buy fenders 10mm wider than the widest tire I'll be running. So if 32mm is the widest you could get some 42-43mm fenders that would fit nicely. Larger fenders will work fine, but as they get a lot wider for the tire they'll start to look odd.
    Thanks, that's the kind of advice I'm looking for. I might head into the LBS to see if they have anything that'll fit well.

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    I like the planet bike cascadia fenders in their touring/hybrid size, which i think is 45mm.

    http://www.ebikestop.com/planet_bike...ders-29552.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltani View Post
    Also, are you using padded bike shorts?
    I don't have a pair of padded shorts. I'm considering them, but was hoping to get away without using them if possible...

    I have to add that every adjustment I made was very slight, and I rode for as long as possible before stopping to make the next adjustment. Once the height and tilt of of the saddle felt right in relation to the pedals and handlebars, the only place my rear end felt right was on the rivets, unless I arched my back to an uncomfortable angle. Raising the saddle slightly moves the rivets back just enough, but then my wrists go numb due to putting more weight on the bars.

    By the way... the lady is completely in love with her saddle and didn't need a single adjustment. In fact, she smiled the entire way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asromzek View Post
    I don't have a pair of padded shorts. I'm considering them, but was hoping to get away without using them if possible...

    I have to add that every adjustment I made was very slight, and I rode for as long as possible before stopping to make the next adjustment. Once the height and tilt of of the saddle felt right in relation to the pedals and handlebars, the only place my rear end felt right was on the rivets, unless I arched my back to an uncomfortable angle. Raising the saddle slightly moves the rivets back just enough, but then my wrists go numb due to putting more weight on the bars.

    By the way... the lady is completely in love with her saddle and didn't need a single adjustment. In fact, she smiled the entire way.

    Actually, the padded shorts make it worse for me, and i have yet to find a good unpadded short. I picked up some tri shorts with no padding, but they lack the leg gripers, so they ride up.

    I am actually curious to know where exactly your sit bones should be on a brooks. Anyone have a pic or sketch? I would guess they are supposed to be just in front of the rivets.

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    I just realized one small detail that I didn't really pay attention to while setting up my pedals/shoes. There are two mounting positions for the SPD cleats on the shoes. I chose the forward location which moves my feet back on the pedals. I wonder if moving the cleats back so that my feet move forward would help, causing me to sit more forward on the saddle? Not by much, but it may be just enough.

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    Cleat position will change the way you spin your legs, and certainly might affect sitting position. I have the cleats in the furthest back position on all my shoes, after experimentation I found it the most comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asromzek View Post
    Well, just got back from about an 8 mile ride, and it wasn't quite as pleasant. I'm not sure what changed between yesterday and today, but I was no where near as comfortable. After a few miles my wrists started to go numb, so I stopped to make an adjustment or two with the saddle since my handle bars are set as high as they'll go.
    I'm not sure how much you ride...

    I find that I need to give myself a week or two's worth of riding in between adjustments (so, 60-100 miles for me, since a normal week is 30-50 miles). It is *very* easy to overadjust, so I have a rule of only one adjustment at a time. I also find that it's a good idea to take frequent breaks on a new bike. Nothing major, even 30s at a stoplight can be a long enough break. If there are no stop signs or stop lights to force quickie breaks, I might take a minute or so off the saddle about every 15 minutes.

    If I fiddle more with my bike, or don't take enough breaks, I get uncomfortable very quickly, even if I'm in a good riding position. It takes time for my body to get used to a new bike or a new riding position, and at first the change can feel worse. More riding time means that shorter and less frequent breaks work better.

    The more riding time you get on various bikes, the easier it is to feel the changes you need to make for everything to be right.

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    I did my first Brooks ride today. I coated the underside and top last night then put it back in the box. I rubbed the excess off the seat this morning and road to work. It seemed fine, but a bit of pressure on the prenum. I'll have to adjust it to see if I can make that go away.

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    Not meaning to hijack the thread, but I have a Brooks question of my own. Does anyone have any experience with the B17 Narrow? Being 15mm narrower than the original doesn't seem like much (0.3" on each side), and I was really hoping for a brown one was opposed to the honey. Any thoughts either way on the Narrow?

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    SKS Fenders are pretty nice a little more expensive but they have a quick release mechanism on the front fender so that if it gets caught on your tire it will release the fender stays to help prevent a front wheel lockup when the fender gets sucked up under the fork crown.

    Regarding the Brooks and positioning I found that I was much more comfortable when I moved the seat back a bit even went so far as to get a set-back post for one of my bikes. Might want to try that out at some point if you can't get the adjustment with the set-up you've got now. Just keep in mind that your body will be further behind the bottom bracket and will change your pedaling somewhat.
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    Well, moving the cleats made quite a difference! It's hard to explain, but that 1/2" forward movement along with a slight saddle height adjustment made things much much more comfortable. I also had to tilt the nose of the saddle down quite a bit so it's just slightly nose high, and once set... voila, very comfortable. I rode about 5 miles with wrists and rear end that weren't numb. In fact, I wanted to keep riding, but it started to rain, and I have no fenders yet!

    I attached a pic highlighting where I was positioned on the saddle before and where I'm sitting now, roughly. (Note the professional mspaint skills.) I also attached a blank pic if anyone else feels like coloring.
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