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    Sun Rhyno Lite vs. Velocity Dyad

    So I'm thinking of getting a new touring wheelset after just completing my cross country tour. Poor bike, baby needs a new pair of everything. I want to get a new set so I can get a cassette cog system and more than the current 5 speeds on it. Here's the question though, the 2 rims I'm looking at using are Sun Rhyno Lite and Velocity Dyads. This will be a 700c wheelset so I was wondering how good the 700c Rhyno lites are. I have a pair of 26s that I like, does the same reputation carry over to the larger wheels? Or would you think dyads would be preferable?

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    boy, i think the rhinolites are really heavy compared to the dyads. I've run them both, both good, but I'd go for another set of dyads before the rhinolites.
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    nice, seeing as my bike is already pretty much a tank I think I'll go for the Dyads

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    yeah, mine too, but I noticed a more wooden quality from the Rhino Lites and slower roll up speeds, the Dyads ride more lively unloaded or lightly loaded, feel faster, and take a thwacking on the rough stuff too.

    I feel the Rhino Lites are the stronger rim overall for their extra fifth of a pound of weight or so each.
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    "boy, i think the rhinolites are really heavy compared to the dyads. I've run them both, both good, but I'd go for another set of dyads before the rhinolites. "

    +1

    Rhinos are wider, that makes a weaker rim that needs to be heavier still to be strong. Unless you are running moutain bike tires you don't need that kind of width, you don't need it for MTBs either really. The extra weight is not being used efficiently. Dyads on the other hand use the extra weight in depth. That may not be the ideal formula for wheel stength, but it seems the best we have since the rim companies moved on from rims like the MA2.

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    Don't discount the rhynos so quickly. Wider rims are inherently less prone to causing pinch flats, a serious consideration in the thoroughly pot-holed Michigan roads that I ride (there is no avoiding a pavement discontinuity that spans an entire lane) . I have zero experience with the Velocities, but my 36 hole rhynos have stayed perfectly true and have no run-out after about 3000 miles of the worst roads in the country. According to the tire width to wheel width ratio found on Sheldon's website, the rhyno should be used with a tire that is a minimum of 35mm and a max of 50mm.

    Another thing to consider is that a rim with a deeper profile is less flexible. A deeper profile rim with the same lacing pattern should be stiffer, e.g. harsher to ride.

    Bottom line: I like 'em wide.

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    My LBS has some 26" Rynolites laced to XT hubs - think they are 32s - for $180.00.

    I could probably talk him down a little.

    Is $180.00 decent for this wheel set?

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    Don't count out Mavic 719 rims.Same as the Dyads but with a spoke inserts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwbnyc View Post
    My LBS has some 26" Rynolites laced to XT hubs - think they are 32s - for $180.00.

    I could probably talk him down a little.

    Is $180.00 decent for this wheel set?
    I'd buy those wheels for $180....at $90 a wheel that's better than I could buy the parts locally. If they were machine built get the LBS to check the tension on the wheels before you take them home. I've used 32H wheels on my 700c LHT and my MTB for touring with no broken spokes or other issues. If I was building those wheels from scratch I'd probably get a 36H rear, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me unless you planned some really hardcore offroad/rough road touring.
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    Well, Thanks.

    I think I'll go a head then. With me weighing 130 Pounds or so 32s should be plenty strong enough for me and whatever I'm carrying on the LHT.



    Quote Originally Posted by vik View Post
    I'd buy those wheels for $180....at $90 a wheel that's better than I could buy the parts locally. If they were machine built get the LBS to check the tension on the wheels before you take them home. I've used 32H wheels on my 700c LHT and my MTB for touring with no broken spokes or other issues. If I was building those wheels from scratch I'd probably get a 36H rear, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me unless you planned some really hardcore offroad/rough road touring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwbnyc View Post
    Well, Thanks.

    I think I'll go a head then. With me weighing 130 Pounds or so 32s should be plenty strong enough for me and whatever I'm carrying on the LHT.
    Since you are light those wheels will be bomber as long as you just check the tension on the spokes from time to time. I'd still get the LBS to look them over though - I don't trust machine built wheels.

    Is that their normal price for those wheels or just a special on one set they want to move? I might snag a set if you send me their details and they'll sell more at that price.
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    Rhynolites are pigs, probably complete overkill for touring this side of the Gobi. And they are a ***** to get tires on and off of. I have broken Parktool, Pedros, and even these levers on my Rhynolites. No experience with Dyads, but sounds like a better option if you feel like spending the extra bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasiet View Post
    And they are a ***** to get tires on and off of. I have broken Parktool, Pedros, and even these levers on my Rhynolites.
    What kind of tires are/where you using? I've got Rhyno Lites on two bikes, both with Big Apples and I've never had much trouble. And I'm the guy who usually has lots of trouble getting tires off! The worst rims for removing/installing tires I've ever experienced were the DT disc rims I have on an mtb and, well, every Campy rim I've ever encountered.

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    I'll check for you Monday.

    It is my understanding they have them from time to time. And as far as I know, that is the price the sell them for.

    I'll check the spoke count too. Just to be sure.



    Quote Originally Posted by vik View Post
    Since you are light those wheels will be bomber as long as you just check the tension on the spokes from time to time. I'd still get the LBS to look them over though - I don't trust machine built wheels.

    Is that their normal price for those wheels or just a special on one set they want to move? I might snag a set if you send me their details and they'll sell more at that price.

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    "Don't discount the rhynos so quickly. Wider rims are inherently less prone to causing pinch flats,"

    Pinch flats shouldn't be a problem with any tire that is well inflated. I ran my DH22 (22 mm) with 37 mm tires all over soft trails, at about 20 pounds. About 40 miles worth. I did slow down for bad bumps, but I rather overdid the bleeding of the tire, thinking I had about 50 in there. When I attached my Road Morp I learned the truth. I thought pinch flats were more likely on wide rims because it stretches the tire out into a flater profile and there is less reserve then when air is low, but since I rarely get them I am no expert. Whatever the case one is not required to buy overly wide rims for a given tire to avoid pinch flats, and that is what Rhynos are relative to just about any rim out there. The DH22 are MTB rims for downhill racing in the 26" version and have been restyled as XC rims in 700C. So they are designed for wide tires.

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